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jaejyang



Joined: 22 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:34 am    Post subject: International school job w/credential but no experience Reply with quote

Hello everybody.
Can anyone advise me on my situation.

I will enroll in the USC@MAT program which ultimately results in a California Preliminary Credential and a Master of Arts in Teaching. I plan on working for EPIK during this period.

By the time I'm finished with the program I will have had three years of Korean classroom experience, a Masters Degree in Teaching, and a California preliminary credential.

But most International Schools require two years of Western style experience, so my qualifications fall short. Or does it? Does anybody know if I'm a competitive candidate for Korean international schools?

I know another option is I can take the DODEA route, get two years experience there, then go on to IS.

One more general question about credentials. I will have a preliminary credential (the initial license), is this acceptable to the international schools?

And I need two years of "induction" in a California public school, otherwise the credential expires in five years.

If I choose to stay in Korea and the credential expires, can I still work for International Schools?

Sorry for the long post. Thanks!
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard that public school experience is applicable, while hagwon experience is not, but I could be wrong.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

northway wrote:
I've heard that public school experience is applicable, while hagwon experience is not, but I could be wrong.


This has been my experience (rather than just hearsay) but it is up to the individual school as to what they will or won't accept.

I have also found that after you get into the "international / IB schools" that you no longer need to maintain your home country credential to stay employed.

Essentially, once you are in, you are in.

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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worked hogwons and uni here. Do you know if uni experience would count?
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qwunk89



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am in this position right now; three years ex in Korea (hagwons), US elementary ed certification (just completed) and am looking for an international school position. i'll let you know how it goes. other teachers say if i attend the search associates (not ISS, need more ex for them apparently) international school job fair in BKK in jan or march i should be able to find an international school position in Asia. however, the position wouldn't start until august most likely and i am not sure i can wait that long. i may be back in Korea in march . .
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
I've worked hogwons and uni here. Do you know if uni experience would count?


Going to an international/IB school
University experience = probably not.
Your hagwan / academy experience = almost certainly not.

Going to another university

University experience = probably yes. Certainly yes if you have relevant post grad degrees).

Hagwan experience = no (unless it was at a university's FLI).

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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me present you with a scenario:

You go to the Bangkok Search fair. There is a job which I am applying to, and I have years of experience, and you apply for the same job. Assuming I know how to interview well, who would most likely get the job?

I think it is possible for you to get a job, but I see it happening at schools that most people don't want to be at, thus less competition, or at schools who want to hire new, cheap teachers to cut expenses. In both situations, be prepared for 2 crappy years before you can move on to greener pastures. (Though if you worked in a bad school in Korea, you should be able to handle no problem.)

About the assertion you do not need to keep your certification recent, I wouldn't want to work at that type of international school...what else are they going to let slide?
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swashbuckler



Joined: 20 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Going to another university

University experience = probably yes. Certainly yes if you have relevant post grad degrees).

Hagwan experience = no (unless it was at a university's FLI).

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Even a hagwon that specialized in teaching adults?
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qwunk89



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah mr. pink, those are pretty much the expectations i have if i do indeed go to the search associates fair in BKK. thanks for the feedback.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swashbuckler wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
Going to another university

University experience = probably yes. Certainly yes if you have relevant post grad degrees).

Hagwan experience = no (unless it was at a university's FLI).

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Even a hagwon that specialized in teaching adults?


Most accredited schools/universities don't give "hagwan" experience (of any kind) any more credibility than "private tutoring".

The only places (outside of Korea) that may recognize it as "classroom experience" would be other language institutes but you won't likely get paid any better because of it.

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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
The only places (outside of Korea) that may recognize it as "classroom experience" would be other language institutes but you won't likely get paid any better because of it.

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Actually, many public school districts in the US will indeed count years of hogwon experience to allow you to move up their pay scales. I interviewed with and received offers at 2 different districts. One was willing to credit me for all five years of my Korean experience (4 of which was at hogwons) as long as I could document it, and one offered me credit for 2 years. Others might offer nothing, it depends.
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warmachinenkorea



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think working abroad can't be a bad thing. I know most international schools ask 2 years experince.

I wouldn't think a Int school would not want you certification to be current. Most of the jobs I've seen ask for a valid certification.

After my wife and I pay off our loans. I'm hitting up the Int. Schools. I'm certified K-12 Special Ed with a year in The States and 3 years here in Korea.

I do have a question about where to look for Int School jobs. Where is the best place to look online?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

warmachinenkorea wrote:
I think working abroad can't be a bad thing. I know most international schools ask 2 years experince.

I wouldn't think a Int school would not want you certification to be current. Most of the jobs I've seen ask for a valid certification.

After my wife and I pay off our loans. I'm hitting up the Int. Schools. I'm certified K-12 Special Ed with a year in The States and 3 years here in Korea.

I do have a question about where to look for Int School jobs. Where is the best place to look online?


Google.

ibo.org for IB schools.
Look at the other "bodies" for others.

There isn't one "recruitment site".

The other option is to attend some of the job fairs or network (where most people land their "international school" job from).

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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

warmachinenkorea wrote:
I think working abroad can't be a bad thing. I know most international schools ask 2 years experince.

I wouldn't think a Int school would not want you certification to be current. Most of the jobs I've seen ask for a valid certification.

After my wife and I pay off our loans. I'm hitting up the Int. Schools. I'm certified K-12 Special Ed with a year in The States and 3 years here in Korea.

I do have a question about where to look for Int School jobs. Where is the best place to look online?


I think I give this advice about about once a month on here. I really wish the search feature wasn't broken...

Search Associates
ISS (International School Services)
Iowa University Fair
Queens University Fair

There is another one out of London, England, but since I am North American, I cannot recall much about that.

I would suggest you go visit the forums at internationalschoolreviews.com and ask people there who know, as they are all international school teachers who typically give advice, and people like you who ask the questions Smile
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hubbahubba



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.tieonline.com/

Post up your resume and see what bites. Schools also post openings on that site. Good advice to check out the schools on internationalschoolsreview, but remember, it's somewhat like Dave's. (only the folks who have a bad experience B and Ming)Take it for what it's worth.

Good luck!
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