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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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 Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject: Breaking Contract with SMOE |
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I'm an F class visa and as soon as I find a better job, I'm gonna break my contract with SMOE. I'm the first FT at a technical high school and my school has repeatedly screwed me over, at least 4-5 times already (Mostly because they play around with the contract and forgot to tell me what they changed or do things because they can) and every time I went to SMOE about it, they didn't do anything.
Like when my school kept playing musical chairs with summer camp dates until it was too late and too expensive to go anywhere. Or when I lost 5 of my 21 vacation days because the school kept playing with the calendar so I couldn't use them / the school wouldn't sign off on the paperwork. I'm absolutely certain its not done with malice, they've just got no friggin idea what they're doing. And they make that obvious whenever I talk to them.
Either way I've had enough, let them burn through foreign teachers until they get their act together. What are the long term consequences of quitting early besides paying back money? Would it disqualify me from any future public school jobs? (EPIK, GEPIK, SMOE, etc) |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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sorry, but yes.  |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Ramen wrote: |
| sorry, but yes. |
How do they track it? Visa numbers???? |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| winterfall wrote: |
| Ramen wrote: |
| sorry, but yes. |
How do they track it? Visa numbers???? |
not sure what it's called exactly, but they started to share FTs' data through some sort of MOE database. i think it started last year.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Breaking Contract with SMOE |
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| winterfall wrote: |
I'm an F class visa and as soon as I find a better job, I'm gonna break my contract with SMOE. I'm the first FT at a technical high school and my school has repeatedly screwed me over, at least 4-5 times already (Mostly because they play around with the contract and forgot to tell me what they changed or do things because they can) and every time I went to SMOE about it, they didn't do anything.
Like when my school kept playing musical chairs with summer camp dates until it was too late and too expensive to go anywhere. Or when I lost 5 of my 21 vacation days because the school kept playing with the calendar so I couldn't use them / the school wouldn't sign off on the paperwork. I'm absolutely certain its not done with malice, they've just got no friggin idea what they're doing. And they make that obvious whenever I talk to them.
Either way I've had enough, let them burn through foreign teachers until they get their act together. What are the long term consequences of quitting early besides paying back money? Would it disqualify me from any future public school jobs? (EPIK, GEPIK, SMOE, etc) |
It might disqualify you from SMOE jobs. Other people have reported that they couldn't get jobs in the same organization after quitting early. Then again I guess it boils down to if your school is vindictive and submits a nasty report on you to SMOE. But you might be able to land a job with one of the other organizations...although SMOE is now being taken over by EPIK and GEPIK is starting to crumble as well. |
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yoja
Joined: 30 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:43 am Post subject: |
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hahaha, sad but typical. Personally, I'd quit and take my chances, especially if I had an F visa.
If they're too incompetent to do anything else, I wouldn't imagine that they would be able to track anything in a database or submit any reports properly, either. |
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Caffeinated
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| yoja wrote: |
| If they're too incompetent to do anything else, I wouldn't imagine that they would be able to track anything in a database or submit any reports properly, either. |
Judging by how many times I get asked by my school for basic information that I saw entered into this database, I imagine the same as well. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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You should make up a sob story about a sick or dying family member back home that you need to spend some time with. Then book a flight to Thailand and chill out.
Seriously, the way you quit is quite important. Don't declare them all incompetent fools and tell them to shove their job, despite how tempted you are.
P.S. Those vacation days are your and they cannot take them away from you for any reason. Hit up head office about it. |
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b-class rambler
Joined: 25 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously, the way you quit is quite important. Don't declare them all incompetent fools and tell them to shove their job, despite how tempted you are.
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Exactly what I would have said.
Also, is SMOE itself actually being taken over by EPIK? I thought it was just that EPIK would now be doing the recruitment of NETs for SMOE, but SMOE would still be the organisation in charge of the NETs in its schools. So if you were to apply in future through EPIK (or GEPIK or any body other than SMOE) you might not necessarily come up on their records, having only been with SMOE before. That said, you might well be screwed if it's true about the nationwide MOE database and, more crucially, if they do in fact make effective use of that information.
The other thing you'd have to give some thought to is how you're going to present your employment history to any potential future PS employer. Usually, PS application forms across the whole country have a question about whether or not you've ever falied to complete a contract and why. Which suggests that if you have, your application will be rejected immediately unless you've got some reason good enough to convince them otherwise.
You might, of course, leave it off your employment history. But you've then got to account for those months you were there in some other way AND stick to that story if another PS employs you. If you claimed you'd worked somewhere else, they might want to contact that employer you were pretending to have worked for. If you claimed you'd not worked at all in that time, they might want to contact your previous employer, whom they might ask why you left and what you'd done next. Obviously I don't know your precise circumstances, OP, but when you could end up with having a number of bases to cover that would be as much as pain in the arse as anything else you've put up with. |
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missjulia
Joined: 22 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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OP, i'm in the same boat as you!!
i'll be breaking contract and quitting as soon as i get the call back from an interview i had for a diff job. they said i was 90% in so just crossing my fingers at this point.
my contract is up in march, and i actually applied to renew (as safety) --my school is bearable, not as bad as you described yours, but definitely want to quit if the other job wants me (they want me to start before march)
i had the "talk" with one of my coteachers today,.. told her i would not be renewing and asked her to rescind my application for renewal..and she did not take it well! asking me all these questions and finally i told her i couldnt deal with the korean bureaucracy bs, blah blah and it kind of felt good telling her the truth--instead of saying oh, i have a family emergency, gotta jet!
i can't imagine what shes gonna say once i tell her im leaving. im not even going to give them the 30 days notice as per the contract!
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yeah, it would probably be hard for you to get another job with the government..i imagine they have sort of a blacklist of nsets.
and if you are lookin for other jobs, u might want to take this job off your resume..in case they call the school (they often do this without permission in korea!) and the school will say bad things about u >.< |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Ramen wrote: |
| winterfall wrote: |
| Ramen wrote: |
| sorry, but yes. |
How do they track it? Visa numbers???? |
not sure what it's called exactly, but they started to share FTs' data through some sort of MOE database. i think it started last year.
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I believe its called NEIS. A quirk with the NEIS database is that it doesn't follow you. Meaning if your school entered you into the NEIS and you switch schools, the new school would have to enter your data again. |
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McNasty
Joined: 04 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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As an F2 visa holder, why would you care?
You can work anywhere you want.
The question I have is why would you limit yourself to SMOE?
There are plenty of other opportunities out there.
If you leave SMOE, don't apply to any of their positions.
Move on to something else.
Best of luck and take advantage of your working options! |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Seriously, the way you quit is quite important. Don't declare them all incompetent fools and tell them to shove their job, despite how tempted you are.
P.S. Those vacation days are your and they cannot take them away from you for any reason. Hit up head office about it. |
Head office sided with the school. This was there face saving solution. Hold me responsible for something I had no control over.
Usually when the school tries to screw you, you call the education office. And the education office makes the school back down. But when they both screw you. Really what can you do?
What's happened is said and done. Will they learn from their mistake or will they do it again? |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| That can't be right. Your vacation days are explicitly stated in the contract. If you are still under the same contract (you haven't signed a new contract since then), they have absolutely no right to deny you the time off. Don't back down on that. Speak to Matthew in head office. He seems like a reasonable fella. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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You know what you do when an employer tries to screw you out of time off that's legally yours, right?
You take the time off, anyway. |
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