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Zackback
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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 Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:42 am Post subject: Re: "Just one more time"- the SK pitiful response |
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| Zackback wrote: |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101203/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_clash;_ylt=At7efJUvGkQ7ijljT7Rw3kes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNmN2hkb2FuBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAxMjAzL2FzX2tvcmVhc19jbGFzaARjY29kZQNtb3N0cG9wdWxhcgRjcG9zAzIEcG9zAzUEcHQDaG9tZV9jb2tlBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA3Nrb3JlYWRlZmVucw
Reminds me of a cartoon. I think it was Bigs Bunny where a line was drawn in the sand and the other character kept crossing it anyway not caring at all about the (meaningless) threats of retaliation. |
As I recall, Bugs kept drawing lines until the enemy walked over a cliff...
Anyway, I think it was pretty obvious from the start that the 4 people died for nothing. I seriously doubt SK would bother with a war if the North sank more ships, or if another island shelling event occurred. The lives of a few people are nothing compared to the economic incentive to keep the peace. |
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tfunk
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Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:28 am Post subject: Re: "Just one more time"- the SK pitiful response |
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| comm wrote: |
| The lives of a few people are nothing compared to the lives of millions. |
It's not just economic motives that are stopping them from waging war. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| It is very odd to allow your own citizens to be attacked killed and do nothing about it. By nothing I mean strike back militarily. Some might say that it wouldn't be "worth it" since it is just a few people but how many people should SK allow to be killed? Should there be a certain quota each month? each year? 1? 10? 100? etc? |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:01 am Post subject: |
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It's not odd at all to allow 4 people to die without escalating to very possible war.......it's very sensible if you are South Korean.
A lot of the, South-Korea-are-wimps-for-not-hitting-back, people are forgetting two things.....
1. South Korea did hit back!!! We just don't know what damage was done by the SK artillery.
2. A war with NK would be a brutal and devastating disaster which would cause death and misery for millions and set SK back decades.
I can't fathom the casual attitude from some who think SK needs to hit NK hard and get tough.......do you want a war?? |
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Zackback
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:29 am Post subject: |
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You didn't answer this:
How many people should SK allow to be killed? Should there be a certain quota each month? each year? 1? 10? 100? etc?
Do I want a war? No, but they, the North Koreans, do - and have in fact have violated the armistice.
The SK military response? Minimal...and throw in "hey don't do that again because NEXT time we aren't going to take it anymore. Remember, we are serious THIS time. OK? Don't forget. Right? Right?" |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:52 am Post subject: |
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You could look at it this way.......The two Koreas are still technically at war. It has been a 'hot' border since the end of the Korean War. A few deaths here and there can be expected because two very twitchy and aggressive military's have been facing each other for over 50 years.
There have been casualties on both sides since the war.
As a matter of fact, the new SK defence minister has just "promised" air strikes if NK attack again. |
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Zackback
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| And do you believe this "promise" (this time)? |
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Jake_Kim
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:21 am Post subject: |
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All ROK Forces are mandated to follow United Nations Command Rules of Engagement, the current version of which puts emphasis on preventing the escalation of conflict.
The ROE dictates that return fire must be of identical type and impact, small-arms fire for small-arms fire, artillery for artillery. SK has F-15s with SLAM-ER missiles that were actually deployed on the day of bombardment, but launching those air-to-ground missiles to hit NK battery is outside of current ROE, hence requiring authorization from GEN Walter Sharp, Commander of UNC, not from the President of SK.
What the new Defense Minister-nominee is saying is either a wishful thinking or based on an assumption that the UNC will agree to the amendment of ROE in a more 'aggressive' manner. Without such an amendment, SK can't simply start bombing Kim Jong-il's Palace even if NK provokes similarly on the mainland with, say, 10 shells hurting or killing a dozen, yet short of a battle or war.
ROK Forces' chain of command has f-ed up many things before and during this incident, but retaliation is not as simple as it sounds even if SK were no wuss. |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:34 am Post subject: |
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The new anthem for SK:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGBhQbmPwH8
Better than the Clich� V-I cadences that every other anthem in the world consists of and nothing more. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| I don't see what the ROK has to gain from striking back outside of salving some wounded pride. |
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Koreadays
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:42 am Post subject: |
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if war breaks out.. good luck to you all.
anyone got a grandfather who went through ww2? I have.
anyone from europe? well, check the internet for pictures and documentaries
cities were flattened to the ground and people were in and out of bomb shelters.
sure it will not be a world war 2. but it will still be out new found hell |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| Koreadays wrote: |
if war breaks out.. good luck to you all.
anyone got a grandfather who went through ww2? I have.
anyone from europe? well, check the internet for pictures and documentaries
cities were flattened to the ground and people were in and out of bomb shelters.
sure it will not be a world war 2. but it will still be out new found hell |
It could be world war 2 (3). If the north actually do have a nuke or 2 and decide to be the second nation to ever use it on another nation (First of course being the good guys, America ((yes that was sarcasm))) Then China could get a little too involved, Russia has already shown discomfort and are already discussing a new arms race, Europe and Japan of course do not appreciate any of this either.
If China backed up the Norks too, it could last at least 10 minutes.
Actually, Japan set off a nuke in a civilised land, too a while ago. In Australia.
The whole world noticed it but they couldn't really decide what it was, so they just wrote it off as an earthquake.
I think it was about 40 years later when anyone actually found out what it actually was, when they caught the Japanese terrorist group and found the blueprints.
Hilarious story. Australia ignored again. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| Koreadays wrote: |
if war breaks out.. good luck to you all.
anyone got a grandfather who went through ww2? I have.
anyone from europe? well, check the internet for pictures and documentaries
cities were flattened to the ground and people were in and out of bomb shelters.
sure it will not be a world war 2. but it will still be out new found hell |
You're operating on the assumption that a war would last more than a couple days. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| Koreadays wrote: |
anyone got a grandfather who went through ww2? I have. |
My God you're right... we don't want another terrible war! We'd better learn from history and continue appeasement!
Grandfather served in WW2 and Korea actually  |
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