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scrilly
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
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 Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:24 am Post subject: Another Airfare Question |
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Today I had the pleasure of informing my hagwon director that I will not renew a contract with her. She asked about my plans for the next year and, after she learned that I might get a job at another school, she informed me that she will pay for my airfare ONLY IF I leave Korea. That is, she will not give me the cash equivalent of a ticket.
Does anyone have any experience with this? Is this the norm? My contract simply states that, after completing one year, I will be provided with a plane ticket to my home country.
Apologies if this has been covered before. |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| if that's what your contract says then that's what your contract says |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| Does anyone have any experience with this? Is this the norm? My contract simply states that, after completing one year, I will be provided with a plane ticket to my home country. |
If they haven't treated you badly, then you should treat the flight money as FLIGHT money. This means exactly what the hagwon owner offered. If you go somewhere they will pay. If not, morally speaking, you shouldn't get the flight money since there is no flight.
At my current school, the school pays for one meal up to a certain amount. If the order is half the allowance, they don't give me the other half in cash. It's simply one meal for the sake of feeding me if I need it. Some days I don't each anything. Other days it costs exactly the most they will give me. Today, some students wanted KFC and it cost each of us three times my allowance. So, I had to pay 2/3 of the total today. I couldn't say, "Well, I'll just not use any daily food allowance for the next 2 days". It's treated as a one time dealio and if you want something more expensive you pay for it. If you want something cheaper, then you get it.
In your case, if you really feel you are entitled to a cash equivalent see if you can arrange a flight which you can refund. Personally, I don't do that kind of stuff. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Negotiate it with the boss. If you want, they have to provide you with a plane ticket home. Whether or not you use it is another matter. So once you've established with them how much the plane ticket would cost, see how much they'd be willing to give you in cash instead of buying the ticket. Say that you'll go home but you're not sure when and would prefer the cash so that you can chose the date when necessary. If she doesn't want to budge, you can always get the ticket (refundable or not). It may be of no advantage to you, but it will likely help the next teacher who tries to negotiate this with them, and there's not much to lose from trying. |
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winterfall
Joined: 21 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Another Airfare Question |
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| scrilly wrote: |
Today I had the pleasure of informing my hagwon director that I will not renew a contract with her. She asked about my plans for the next year and, after she learned that I might get a job at another school, she informed me that she will pay for my airfare ONLY IF I leave Korea. That is, she will not give me the cash equivalent of a ticket.
Does anyone have any experience with this? Is this the norm? My contract simply states that, after completing one year, I will be provided with a plane ticket to my home country.
Apologies if this has been covered before. |
Threaten to call the labor board. It is her obligation to give you the money's worth of a 1 way trip back home. It's a type of severance. Whether or not your moving to another school shouldn't impact whether you get the money or not. By the way, you should've never told her your leaving.
Even PS gives you the airfare money every you renew. 1.3 million is yours on the 1st month of your new contract. With an extra 700,000 won that's treated like a bonus that has to be paid back if you leave in 6 months. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| It's a type of severance. |
Where does it say that?
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| 1.3 million is yours on the 1st month of your new contract. With an extra 700,000 won that's treated like a bonus that has to be paid back if you leave in 6 months. |
Now you just contradicted yourself. Severance doesn't have to be paid back, but the flight money does if you don't stay the 6 months. This is proof you are NOT entitled to it regardless. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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Even if you don't want the trip get a ticket!
If she'll refund one you buy you're set. Buy a refundable one.
If she's buying ask if it can be on Asiana or Korean air. Both seem pretty good in adjusting/refunding.
If she buys you some worthless airline you can't refund or change and don't want, just burn it. At least she didn't save money. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Depends on who is paying the ticket.
If you buy the ticket on your dime, then the boss will probably ask for a boarding pass stub or something to prove you actually tok the flight before being reimbursed.
If she buys the ticket, then it is pointless to get it refunded. Also, one-way trips are pretty expensive. If you do decide to a flight somewhere, it might cost a lot of money to fly back to Korea.
I'd say your best option is either take a free flight home. If you work at a different school, then have the new school pay for your return flight into Korea.
Or, just stay in Korea and forget the matter. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| If you work at a different school, then have the new school pay for your return flight into Korea. |
The new school might be hiring a teacher because they can avoid the airfare by hiring a teacher in the country. Check on this before assuming the new school will pay for a flight to Korea. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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They are not obligated to give you the money for a plane ticket at all. They are obligated to buy you a one way ticket home. If you aren't going home, then they won't buy you a ticket.
Try finding out if they will reimburse you for a ticket. Then buy a refundable one, get the money from the hagwon. Cancel the ticket and pocket the cash.
Public Schools DO NOT GIVE YOU MONEY anymore. This may have been the case up until recently. But GEPIK has instructed schools to not pay cash money for plane tickets. You also can no longer purchase a plane ticket to Thailand or the Phillipines or China with GEPIK money. It has to be to your home country. This is a very recent change. It was explained at the last orientation. Some schools may still pay out, but they are not supposed to anymore. |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
They are not obligated to give you the money for a plane ticket at all. They are obligated to buy you a one way ticket home. If you aren't going home, then they won't buy you a ticket.
Try finding out if they will reimburse you for a ticket. Then buy a refundable one, get the money from the hagwon. Cancel the ticket and pocket the cash.
Public Schools DO NOT GIVE YOU MONEY anymore. This may have been the case up until recently. But GEPIK has instructed schools to not pay cash money for plane tickets. You also can no longer purchase a plane ticket to Thailand or the Phillipines or China with GEPIK money. It has to be to your home country. This is a very recent change. It was explained at the last orientation. Some schools may still pay out, but they are not supposed to anymore. |
you must be referring to tickets when leaving the job and Korea.
the cash/ticket exchange when talking about renewal and home leave is in the contract, so they can change whatever they want but it cannot take effect until the next contract.
Article 10.6
we'll see what the 2011 contracts say |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I was referring to when you complete a contract and do not renew.
In the past, a lot of schools used to dish out cash for plane tickets (which is not in the contract but they did anyway) now they will not do that. We were told that we were invited here under the notion that we are to help Korea improve their national English abilities. So paying for us to fly to Japan or Thailand or China to teach English or have a vacation after we complete our contracts is not the responsibility of GEPIK so they will only pay for us to go home. Makes sense to me, otherwise Korea would be helping their regional competitors hire English teachers. |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:54 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I was referring to when you complete a contract and do not renew.
In the past, a lot of schools used to dish out cash for plane tickets (which is not in the contract but they did anyway) now they will not do that. We were told that we were invited here under the notion that we are to help Korea improve their national English abilities. So paying for us to fly to Japan or Thailand or China to teach English or have a vacation after we complete our contracts is not the responsibility of GEPIK so they will only pay for us to go home. Makes sense to me, otherwise Korea would be helping their regional competitors hire English teachers. |
I don't have an issue with that. I always thought the school simply bought the ticket itself, or re-embursed a purchased ticket rather than pay out cash anyways. |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| jrwhite82 wrote: |
Yes, I was referring to when you complete a contract and do not renew.
In the past, a lot of schools used to dish out cash for plane tickets (which is not in the contract but they did anyway) now they will not do that. We were told that we were invited here under the notion that we are to help Korea improve their national English abilities. So paying for us to fly to Japan or Thailand or China to teach English or have a vacation after we complete our contracts is not the responsibility of GEPIK so they will only pay for us to go home. Makes sense to me, otherwise Korea would be helping their regional competitors hire English teachers. |
I don't have an issue with that. I always thought the school simply bought the ticket itself, or re-embursed a purchased ticket rather than pay out cash anyways. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| I should have mentioned a lot of schools were buying tickets or reimbursing for their NETs to go to Thailand on vacation or other countries to teach ESL after Korea. This will stop as well. |
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