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Help! HUGE gas bill and I don't know where it's coming from!
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s.tickbeat



Joined: 21 Feb 2010
Location: Gimhae

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:39 am    Post subject: Help! HUGE gas bill and I don't know where it's coming from! Reply with quote

So I know that gas is expensive in Korea. When winter set in (in my region it's apparently the coldest winter in 97 years) I went on a total campaign to keep my gas use to minimum.

I have a two-room apartment (living room, bedroom), and we are two people. We turn the gas off when we leave for work except when we are drying laundry on the ondol. During the day when we're home, it's on to about 17 C; at night when we sleep it's on to about 8 or 10 C. We definitely don't leave the hot water on, and we certainly don't leave it running. Yet, somehow we have a $400.00 gas bill.

Where is this coming from? Last month it was $250 which seemed more reasonable. I am shocked by this bill. Any ideas?
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who is the bill provided by? Gas company, school, apartment management. I have heard that some apartment buildings will do an average for bills. So if they have 10 people they will split a huge bill 10 ways. So if somebody is really using gas it can be you covering another persons use.
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L&MaC's



Joined: 01 Jan 2011
Location: Ittoqqortoormiit

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats weird.

I leave my gas on 24/7 with the heat turned right up and the hot water always on during winter and my gas bill is only 120,000won per month.

You either have a faulty system - gas leaking somewhere or you are paying the gas bill for 5 other apartments.
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s.tickbeat



Joined: 21 Feb 2010
Location: Gimhae

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the bill straight from the gas company. I sneaked a peak at the other bills for the building, and they're between 70 000 W and 200 000 W. Maybe I do have a gas leak? I'm definitely going to have a Korean friend call the company ASAP. I JUST finishes paying a bill for 266 000 W.
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Skippy



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you actually keep the wall unit on and just turn the temperature up and down or do you turn off the unit when not in use? Me I turn on and off. I rarely dick with the settings and modes.
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3DR



Joined: 24 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're ripping you off. I had this same problem last year. Small studio apartment, yet somehow the bill was coming out to 300 or 400 K a month. And this was with a long vacation out of the country.

This year, I have a 2 room family apartment. I leave the heat on blast when I'm home, and turn it down when I leave. The bill is around 100k
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! I've never paid anywhere near 400k for gas, even in the middle of winter. Last winter in January and February I was paying about 200k a month but I was in a really spacious apartment that didn't seem to be insulated. I was turning it off during the day while I was at work, but at night and the whole morning, I had it on a medium to high setting.

If your neighbors are all paying less than 100k for gas you can be sure that there's a problem somewhere. Koreans like to keep their apartments hot during the winter. Unless you like the tropical feeling, they're probably using more gas than you. Either someone is scamming you or there's some faulty equipment. I don't think there would be a gas leak. You'd know about that because your apartment would burst into flames when you flicked on the light switch. (I heard about it plenty when I was in Japan, and I'd guess that it happens here from time to time as well.) But maybe the heater isn't working right, or maybe the meter isn't recording correctly. Who knows. From what you've written though, I'd say that for sure something is wrong. Get it checked out.
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orosee



Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Help! HUGE gas bill and I don't know where it's coming f Reply with quote

s.tickbeat wrote:
During the day when we're home, it's on to about 17 C; at night when we sleep it's on to about 8 or 10 C.


Got a bit of a shock when I read this until I checked your "Location" flag Very Happy I really wonder how you deal with the Korean Summer months.

For reference, I have gas bills around 150K/month since November (ondol on 24/7 though mostly on economy mode) which is about 3x the amount I paid during Summer (though no substantial savings as the electricity bill shot up for aircon).

I'm surprised that you haven't had to deal with frozen pipes yet.

When you say that you shut off the gas, does that mean indoors (at the control panel) or outdoors (at the mechanical valve)?
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Skyblue



Joined: 02 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And you actually paid the 400 K? Rolling Eyes
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brier



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you using city gas lines, or do they hook up a replacable tank and you feed off that? If it is the delivered canister style, yeah, that stuff is super expensive and you might well have a 400k bill. Long a ago I lived in a shoe box sized one room, that used delivered gas in canisters, I got a bill of about 130k for January and I was shocked.

Move.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah move! Sounds like an old building. Many Koreans don't always crank their heat. SOme use heating blankets and portable heaters. Newer buildings, built within the past 5 years, ought to have western style energy efficiency. I'm in a large one room in a two year old building and my gas bill was 60,000 last month. This is with the heat turned on to my comfort level; no freezing here. But, in the past, living in an old building, the cannister system cost me double that and the place wasn't even very warm. I briefly lived in a bigger place a year ago and it used electricity. Got a 400,000 won bill for electric heating. That was pure BS. Local ed office wouldn't help, so I moved to another city and got my own place. Took the subsidy; never looked back!
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brier wrote:
Are you using city gas lines, or do they hook up a replacable tank and you feed off that? If it is the delivered canister style, yeah, that stuff is super expensive and you might well have a 400k bill. Long a ago I lived in a shoe box sized one room, that used delivered gas in canisters, I got a bill of about 130k for January and I was shocked.


You mean propane tanks? Do Koreans still use those for indoor purposes? I've seen them used in other countries, but almost always by people with low incomes or in underdeveloped or rural areas where the city hadn't installed gas lines (which deliver methane, not propane).

If anyone is actually using propane indoors, you need to be ultra careful with that stuff. If a pilot light goes out, or you're cooking something and the flame goes out, you can get a gas build up REALLY quickly. And while lighting a cloud of methane will make a big fire ball, lighting a cloud of propane will create a huge and rapid expansion of air (i.e. an explosion). I've seen plenty of news articles showing the result of a propane buildup followed by someone flicking on a light switch - blown out windows, often a missing wall, sometimes someone ends up in the hospital or worse.
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last years gas bills totally pissed me off- at one point, I was paying a little over 200,000 won for a tiny studio loft apartment. So this year, I've made a point of never turning on my ondol and only turning on my water heater during my shower. Instead I use an electric blanket and heater, and have easily saved money this year and it seems warmer in my apartment.

You might want to consider using a couple electric heaters in your apartment instead. You can buy cheap ones on GMarket- I believe mine cost about 10,000 won.
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

80,000 won for permanent usage of heating at full temperature (and then i turn it off when Im dying of sweat and heat... I figure its the most economic way to do it)

400$ is like... 3 times what all my bills cost combined... where on earth are you?
Gotta be a gas leak
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sligo



Joined: 15 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a similar problem a few years back. I never have my heating on. Living on the 14th floor means that all the people below me with their heating on all day allows my apartment to be the lower end of comfortable all the time. Team this with a pair of warm socks, and i am quite comfortable. I digress. I had a bill a couple of years ago, and it read 75,000W, then the next month 150,000W. i couldn't understand it, (nor could the Koreans understand that i never have heating on), but i looked at the back of the bill, and it breaks down the information, it also gives the address being billed. They were sending the bill to my apartment but quoting the gas usage of a different apartment. The next month, my 3 month gas charge was about 20,000W.

Checj the back of the bill, to see which addtress is being chrged.
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