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World Traveler
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ThingsComeAround
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I have seen this woman on a 20-20 (or 60 minutes?) interview way WAY back when I was still in high school..
It is a white woman married to a black male, she started it after adopting children born with a drug addiction.
And I support her 100%.
Not only is she 'living it' by going out and actually taking care of the children, she is not forcing sterilization on the mothers. Instead she gives them a lucrative offer that- lets face it- they will in turn spend on drugs again. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
| Instead she gives them a lucrative offer that- lets face it- they will in turn spend on drugs again. |
How is a one time payment of a few hundred bucks lucrative? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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This is awesome. I realize this is controversial, but think about it.
Anyone who would willingly and voluntarily (and I hope Mrs. Harris makes sure her contracts are executed while the volunteers are sober) surrender their fertility for such a small sum deserves such a fate.
Its not as if Mrs. Harris puts them in debt first or loan sharks these people. Its not as if she works with the authority of the state at her back. She is a private citizen with an understandable motive. It seems totally aboveboard.
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One of Perth's most famous cases of child abuse and neglect - that of baby Wade Scale - involved a drug-addicted mother who had four children. Several of them were victims of documented abuse.
In 2006, WA Coroner Alastair Hope found that 25-year-old amphetamines addict Brenda Lee Newby was "astonishingly irresponsible and selfish" over the 11 days of her baby Tasmyn's short life before the baby died in a room at the Burswood Casino Hotel.
And earlier this year, Mr Hope found that baby Bradley Frederick Newhouse was "clearly grossly malnourished" and had amphetamines in his body when he died while lying on a sofa with his sleeping mother, Deborah Hughes. |
You know, I still think the most horrible scene I saw in any movie was the baby crying in the crib in Trainspotting. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand it seems to make sense, on the other hand it's clearly a eugenics program. If you look at the woman in charges rhetoric she calls the mothers dogs, and sometimes things worse than that. In some sense I feel like it targets people when they are vulnerable and can't thinks stright. Not eveyone stays a junkie forever, i've met several recovered junkies and crack heads, hell one or two with kids. I would hate for some young woman to get this done when she was 18 or whatever and then get clean and not be able to have a family. On the other hand, drug babies are a pretty tragic case. Eugenics is a pretty hard thing to get behind though.... |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand it seems to make sense, on the other hand it's clearly a eugenics program. |
Maybe it could be construed that way, but surely the real problem with "eugenics" is when it's instituted through government mandate or some other form of coercive force? Me getting to decide whether or not you can reproduce is surely wrong. Me getting to try to talk you out of reproducing of your own free will seems reasonable.
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| I would hate for some young woman to get this done when she was 18 or whatever and then get clean and not be able to have a family. |
I thought about this too, but these days aren't many forms of sterilization medically reversable? The article even says that mere long-term birth control is enough to qualify for compensation from the organization. It seems like a lot of these people could still be able to reproduce if they got their acts cleaned up later in life. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand it seems to make sense, on the other hand it's clearly a eugenics program. |
Maybe it could be construed that way, but surely the real problem with "eugenics" is when it's instituted through government mandate or some other form of coercive force? Me getting to decide whether or not you can reproduce is surely wrong. Me getting to try to talk you out of reproducing of your own free will seems reasonable. |
I'm not really sure that these people when they are desperate, and in the middle junk sickness qualify as being of free will. I'm undecided on this, but I've seen it and it's really ugly and thoose people are really vulnerable. This organization clearly has no concern for the mothers/ potential mothers, themselves. I'm uncomfertable with someone being in charge of something like this who refers to the people they operate on as being dogs that shouldn't be allowed to breed.
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| Leon wrote: |
| I would hate for some young woman to get this done when she was 18 or whatever and then get clean and not be able to have a family. |
I thought about this too, but these days aren't many forms of sterilization medically reversable? The article even says that mere long-term birth control is enough to qualify for compensation from the organization. It seems like a lot of these people could still be able to reproduce if they got their acts cleaned up later in life. |
I don't know enough about sterilization to say. If it's reversable, then that would change my attitude about it. Long term birth control, which I assume means the pill and condoms, is something that is of course sensible. Again I don't know enough about sterilization to say, but, yeah that would change my mind. Still I think also offering accsess to drug treatment and offering incentives for that, would be a more suitable approach. |
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Friend Lee Ghost
Joined: 06 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
| Instead she gives them a lucrative offer that- lets face it- they will in turn spend on drugs again. |
How is a one time payment of a few hundred bucks lucrative? |
Because when they later decide that they want to have more children after all, they can sue her for millions  |
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