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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject: Flue $hots~ have you found them to be very helpful? |
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I guess when it comes to flue shots, it's all about the money. I really doubt that they're that helpful.
Swine flu pandemic outbreak sweeping through Britain even though 70 percent were vaccinated last year
http://www.naturalnews.com/030845_Britain_swine_flu.html
This article recommends green tea.
Fight the flu with green tea
http://www.naturalnews.com/030772_green_tea_flu.html
I think that they may be on to something. What are your thoughts? |
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nobbyken

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Location: Yongin ^^
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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I thought the jab was only good for 6 months anyhow? |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008 Location: Marakesh
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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I don't get them, I'm not in the at risk groups (young, old, ill health, etc) and I believe in the theory that virus' adapt and evolve to vaccines, making them more and more difficult to eradicate.
Also, a vaccine is useless if EVERYONE doesn't get the shot. The more people who get it, the more protected the "herd" is from catching it. If one person catches it, and everyone around them is vaccinated, it stops there. But if even one person can catch it from them, it will pass on, and on and so forth. The article you posted said that 70% of the population OVER 65 had gotten vaccinated. Well, good, that's a sizable number and people over 65 are at risk, but as a percentage of the population, the numbers are then quite low.
I do realize that I'm kind of a hypocrite (everyone should get it to protect the herd, but I don't get it) BUT, FOR THE FLU, the recommendations, at least where I lived were for the young, old, ill, and medical personnel to get the shot and that's it. The flu is pretty harmless for the majority of people who are not in the at risk categories. |
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toniyellow
Joined: 30 Sep 2009
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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I probably wouldn't seek out a vaccine at home, just fight it off. But the flu strain in Korea is different to that what I've been exposed to at home and as such would hit harder.
So I would definitely get it here.The head English teacher at my school dragged all the English staff to some discount 16,000 won flu shot clinic. So far, noone even has a sniffle. |
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different
Joined: 22 May 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Vaccines aren't to be taken frivolously, from what I've read. Each time you get a vaccine, you're loading huge amounts of mercury into your blood and also causing brain inflamation that will last for a year after your vaccine. Check the Internet for articles about this. If you want to be paranoid, read some articles on Mercola.com.
There are costs and benefits to everything. I don't think minimizing flu risk is worth the wear and tear on your nervous system. |
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ATM SPIDERTAO
Joined: 05 Jul 2009 Location: seoul, south korea
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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honestly man, i spent a year and a half here without getting flu shots and i got sick like 3-4 times and they were all HORRENDOUS. the kind of flu's where you get cold body aches and you can't move and feel nauseous the entire time. and it would last for a month. you get so cold you can't move and one time i got an intense fever only it felt like extreme cold on the middle of the bus to incheon so i had sever body shakes for 45 minutes and when i got off my gf was super worried cuz i was pale and my lips were blue and we went to a hospital. it was weird cuz after i took off my jacket, i felt better. i think i did have a huge fever but it felt like i was really cold.
ANYWAY
this winter, i got the flu shot and while i got a little sick, i THOUGHT i was gonna get a severe case of the flu again cuz all my students were dying but after a few days, i was alright again.
i didn't know about mercury poisoning and whatnot, but i'll be taking a flu shot every 6 months from now on, until i die.
they are SERIOUSLY awesome.
these asian bugs are killers man. and koreans don't seem to avoid others who are sick. if my buddy was sick back home, i'd be driving with the windows open and avoiding the dude like a plague. the kids here cough and hug each other and don't really care. i think they have now developed superior immune systems compared to my weak canadian self so i'd recommend getting a flu shot personally. especially against the new strains of bugs that you have 0% immunity against
but you probably have 0% immunity against asian flus too. i caught a nasty japanese flu 2 months into my stay here and i ended up getting hospitalized for pneumonia for a week. i probably didn't need to be hospitalized but i didn't speak enough korean to tell them no. |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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I never get them. Occasionally I do get sick. The worst was a two day fever. Not fun. The other fever lasted one night. The rest have been mild colds. About 7 or 8 over 3.5 years. |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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ATM SPIDERTAO wrote: |
i probably didn't need to be hospitalized but i didn't speak enough korean to tell them no. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:34 am Post subject: |
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different wrote: |
Vaccines aren't to be taken frivolously, from what I've read. Each time you get a vaccine, you're loading huge amounts of mercury into your blood and also causing brain inflamation that will last for a year after your vaccine. Check the Internet for articles about this. If you want to be paranoid, read some articles on Mercola.com.
There are costs and benefits to everything. I don't think minimizing flu risk is worth the wear and tear on your nervous system. |
All medicines carry some risk. Even flu remedies which contain paracetamol have the potential to kill. The flu of course also kills. Herd immunity does work, and a healthy person could easily pass on the flu virus to someone at risk.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6284PX20100309
The mercury risk in flu shots is a little over that of a can of tuna. The internet says many things but finding and looking for the facts can be far more difficult. I also believe the nasal spay version of the vaccine contains no mercury. Sites like naturalnews and mercola like to scaremonger and do indeed make people paranoid.
scienceblogs has some good responses to the paranoia over flu shots, but is often dismissed over been 'biased'. But I tend to trust them over the Jenny McCarthy's of this world.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:34 am Post subject: |
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I got a flu shot last year, but never got around to it this year. Since it's so late, I'm going to skip it. |
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different
Joined: 22 May 2003
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:06 am Post subject: |
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ED209 wrote: |
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm |
Mercola would say that the Center for Disease Control, which you linked to, and the FDA, are VERY much influenced by money from drug companies, who of course want people to buy their medicines.
I found this: http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/virginia/flu_vaccines.html
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There are very few if any long term studies of what effect the flu vaccine has on your health. One such study has revealed the following. According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD, one of the world's leading immunogeneticist and one of the most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals), if an individual has had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied), his/her chances of developing Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had one, two or no shots.
Dr. Fudenberg was asked why this was so and he said it was due to the mercury and aluminum that is in every flu shot (and most childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum build-up in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction.2 [This would be similar for other neurological conditions caused by mercury: ALS, MS, Parkinson's, autism, etc. 3,4 |
That's scary stuff (but no, I haven't checked the rigorousness or design of the study).
However, some other website said that vaccines have far less mercury than they did just 11 years ago. I'm not sure how much that applies to flu shots.
Whatever; People can do their own research. I don't feel like spending more time reading about it. I'm just bringing up something that people may not have been aware of. And I'm not going to get a flu shot. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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brickabrack
Joined: 17 May 2010
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:32 am Post subject: |
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"And I'm not going to get a flu shot."
Nor would I.
Suckas!
Happy New Year. Out into the world, I go! Cheers |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:52 am Post subject: |
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nobbyken wrote: |
I thought the jab was only good for 6 months anyhow? |
They are good for the flu that is anticipated to arrive for that year. Anyhow whether or not you want to take the flu shot is up to you. Would you rather put up with a mild fever and muscle aches or would you like to be down unable to teach for a full two or three days? If the shots are available I don't want to lose any teaching time and I don't want to be down taking Tylenol which is what happens to me every year, without the vaccine. |
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