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son of coco
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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 Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 2:49 am Post subject: Visa Issue With School |
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Hi guys,
My contract ends on the 4th of Jan (it's my last day today), but I did the visa run mid-Feb after helping them out by doing the winter intensive first before doing the visa run. So my visa ends mid-Feb.
The dilemma I have is this: my school is thinking about cancelling my visa after I finish on the 4th, but I have organised work for the next month before flying home on the 30th. It'll be a royal pain in the arse if they do, so I'm hoping to talk some sense into them.
Can someone tell me if they actually have to cancel my visa now (is there any regulation that states this?) or would it be quite ok for them to just let it go and it'll be automatically cancelled when I fly out on the 30th?
Thanks for your help. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| You're asking if it would be alright for you to work illegally at another location with them continuing as your sponsor? |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Yeah it sounds like you already worked for them illegally last winter when you did their winter camp. And now your contract is up, and you want to work some where else illegally?
If you are on an E2 you can only work at one place at a time (unless it specifically says otherwise on your visa). Either way, you will be working illegally.
What you need to have done is get your existing employer to continue to sponsor you until your camp is done. In addition, you need to have your employer add this other school onto your visa. Or you need the new school register you onto a new E2 and make a visa run. Good luck with that.... |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| You're asking if it would be alright for you to work illegally at another location with them continuing as your sponsor? |
I think he already worked illegally 
You should be able to just transfer your visa to the new location, unless I am reading something wrong. Get a release notice from the old school. Go with the new school to immigration. Either it will be a simple change of location, or they will need your passport and arc card. They will send you it after 2 or 3 weeks in that case.
That's the sticky part, the OP mentioned going home. They need to do this well before the flight home. |
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son of coco
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:15 am Post subject: |
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I understand what you're all saying with the 'working illegally' business etc etc, but it's really not worth me transferring the visa for a month before I go home. I'll be going back for a while, so this work is just to help out a friend who needed teachers. By the time I sorted out a transfer (assuming the other school could be bothered) I'd possibly be a week away from going home for a long time.
Transferring it would be the easiest way to go though, and the least stressful, if it was possible through the school I'm helping out. Will check again to see if it can be done...it seems it's easier to get things undone than done here most of the time though!
As for working illegally at the start, I was originally supposed to do the visa run before my contract started but the school organised it poorly (which isn't unusual) and then had to change the dates. As a result, they wanted me to do the visa run at a later date so I could work the winter intensive in January. They only have 1 foreign teacher, so it would've left them in a fix if I went.
Ideally there'd be no illegal work done here...but then ideally the pension laws would also be enforced along with many, many others.
Last edited by son of coco on Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:31 am; edited 1 time in total |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Why are you making excuses for your boss's crimes? |
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son of coco
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Why are you making excuses for your boss's crimes? |
Nice try. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| the school organised it poorly (which isn't unusual) and then had to change the dates |
No, they knew exactly what the gamble was. They wanted to use you first. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:19 am Post subject: |
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Is your school going to give you severance pay and a flight home? Have you see the plane ticket yourself?
If not then tread carefully. Legally (and that's all the the labor board cares about) you have NOT worked a full year. Your school will not be obliged to give you severance or the plane ticket home (if it states that you get it after ONE YEAR). This may be the main reason that they want to cancel your visa on 4 January. Why don't you just extend an extra month with your current school? It would be the easiest and legally prevent them from shafting you at the last minute. |
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son of coco
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| the school organised it poorly (which isn't unusual) and then had to change the dates |
No, they knew exactly what the gamble was. They wanted to use you first. |
They definitely weren't concerned about the position they put me in, they did what they needed to do to make things work for them.
They still messed up the organisation though...originally booked me a ticket for a date before I started working, then changed it when they realised it wouldn't work with public holidays etc. It ended up costing them more money, which they wouldn't have done just for a laugh I can assure you. It was just the first example of them failing to research something until the last minute.
Funnily enough, apart from not being able to organise anything very well, as a whole they were good to work for. |
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son of coco
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Troglodyte wrote: |
Is your school going to give you severance pay and a flight home? Have you see the plane ticket yourself?
If not then tread carefully. Legally (and that's all the the labor board cares about) you have NOT worked a full year. Your school will not be obliged to give you severance or the plane ticket home (if it states that you get it after ONE YEAR). This may be the main reason that they want to cancel your visa on 4 January. Why don't you just extend an extra month with your current school? It would be the easiest and legally prevent them from shafting you at the last minute. |
Yeah, I already have the ticket and I don't think they have any issue with paying up. I'm apparently getting paid next week for everything, and have had no issues with payment at all for the year.
I know there are horror stories about this kind of stuff, but I don't expect this to be one. I have had no issues with the school at all for the whole year pretty much, nothing major anyway.
I was originally going to extend for the extra month, as they hadn't found another English teacher. However, they found someone early this month who wanted to start when my year finished. So, understandably, rather than lose them while I work for an extra month they'll start at the end of my year-long contract.
It did leave me with a flight booked at the end of the month however  |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| As for working illegally at the start, I was originally supposed to do the visa run before my contract started but the school organised it poorly (which isn't unusual) and then had to change the dates. |
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| They still messed up the organisation though |
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| they found someone early this month who wanted to start when my year finished |
Do you see a pattern and discrepency here? You are making excuses for them being "unorganized", yet they are planning things out to the T to make sure you leave and a new teacher replaces you. I suspect this is what also happened when there was a transition from the previous teacher to you. |
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son of coco
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| lifeinkorea wrote: |
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| As for working illegally at the start, I was originally supposed to do the visa run before my contract started but the school organised it poorly (which isn't unusual) and then had to change the dates. |
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| They still messed up the organisation though |
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| they found someone early this month who wanted to start when my year finished |
Do you see a pattern and discrepency here? You are making excuses for them being "unorganized", yet they are planning things out to the T to make sure you leave and a new teacher replaces you. I suspect this is what also happened when there was a transition from the previous teacher to you. |
As I said, I'm not making any excuses...I haven't been in Korea for 2 minutes. I'm well aware that a lot of schools work situations in their favor, I'm also totally aware of what's happened in my case...and I was here when the previous teacher left, and his circumstances were totally different.
If you've read some of my other posts on here then you'd know I don't make a habit of going around and making excuses for academies when they're under-handed.
As you also would be aware, being disorganized is a Korean trait. As much as we'd all like to believe the locals can be organized when they want to be, I know the guy who is the 'principal' of my school well, and he couldn't organize sex in a brothel.
Yes, they do things to suit themselves. Everybody knows this. It doesn't all of a sudden make them organized and cagey though. They're still hopeless when it comes to arranging anything, they just do it slightly quicker when it's for them.
You've assumed I know nothing about what happened with the previous change-over, when I was actually here for it. I was pissed off with each instance of poor organisation, but life goes on.
The actual fact of the matter is, if they were organised and knew what they were doing then I would've known the situation with regards to my leaving date a couple of months in advance, not a couple of weeks. We actually talked it over, both the me staying bit, and then the new leaving date when they interviewed the other teacher. I was there when she came in for the interview...there was nothing underhanded about it, but it was annoying to have to revise my leaving date. While it would be easy to throw all the toys out of the pram and scream "WHY WOULDN'T THEY LET ME STAY AN EXTRA MONTH", I can understand them wanting to ensure they get a teacher for the next 12months, instead of making me happy by letting me stay for 13 months instead of 12. If they don't get another teacher after me at the end of Jan then I'm back home enjoying a holiday with an extra month's pay, and they're an English language school with no teacher. It's obvious who is in the worse position. For 1 extra month, it's simply not worth it for them.
I didn't really post this on here so people who have no idea of the situation or the school could play amateur detective with a bare minimum of facts and half a clue though...
The original question I had re: the visa needing to be cancelled has been answered anyway. So at least I learned something. Everyone else worried about my school needs to unclench I think and just relax a bit. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| son of coco wrote: |
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| Why are you making excuses for your boss's crimes? |
Nice try. |
What are you talking about? The boss intentionally hired you to work illegally and you're making excuses for the boss. That's pretty straightforward. What's also pretty straightforward is that another poster also noticed those two simple facts and you're fully aware they noticed them since you just quoted and responded to their points.
Quit rolling over for someone who's screwing you over. Don't make excuses for them. To be blunt: this is Korea so let the Korean crooks make their own excuses. The sooner the foreign workers quit making excuses for the crooked employers, the sooner they foreign workers will quit taking it. |
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son of coco
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| son of coco wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| Why are you making excuses for your boss's crimes? |
Nice try. |
What are you talking about? The boss intentionally hired you to work illegally and you're making excuses for the boss. That's pretty straightforward. What's also pretty straightforward is that another poster also noticed those two simple facts and you're fully aware they noticed them since you just quoted and responded to their points.
Quit rolling over for someone who's screwing you over. Don't make excuses for them. To be blunt: this is Korea so let the Korean crooks make their own excuses. The sooner the foreign workers quit making excuses for the crooked employers, the sooner they foreign workers will quit taking it. |
No excuses need to be made...as I said, read other posts I've made and you'd be aware I'm not in the habit of making excuses for Korean working practices.
I'm not rolling over for anyone. I have all my money, I've been paid on time, I've lost nothing. To be quite honest, you guys have jumped on this when you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I can only assume things are a bit slow on the hagwon controversies front this week. |
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