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SE Asia: trains or Planning my mustachioed getaway
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alljokingaside



Joined: 17 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:09 am    Post subject: SE Asia: trains or Planning my mustachioed getaway Reply with quote

Hey,

i read on seat61.com that a train connects malaysia, thailand, laos, and vietnam. Does anyone have info on/exp. with this train system? like timetable (how long does it take to get from eg kuala lumpur to chiang mai or laos), prices, friendliness (ie should i bring a metal vest to avoid stab wounds?) etc.

debating training it or flying during my break, using kuala lumpur as an entry point
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nukeday



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

malaysia? you might want to look at a map.

anyway, no, you can't just train it through those 3 other countries. you'll have to fly or take a bus at some point.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: SE Asia: trains or Planning my mustachioed getaway Reply with quote

alljokingaside wrote:
Hey,

i read on seat61.com that a train connects malaysia, thailand, laos, and vietnam. Does anyone have info on/exp. with this train system? like timetable (how long does it take to get from eg kuala lumpur to chiang mai or laos), prices, friendliness (ie should i bring a metal vest to avoid stab wounds?) etc.

debating training it or flying during my break, using kuala lumpur as an entry point


Coming through the southern 3 provinces in Thailand is not the best idea.

The (Muslim) rebels have a habit of trying to shoot or blow things up (including foreigners).

Better to fly the local short hops. Domestic and short haul international fights down here are CHEAP.

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Kaypea



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can train it for some of it. I took the train from Kuala Lumpur to Alor Setar, 2nd class sleeper... wasn't nearly as cool as train travel looks in the old 1930's movies, but it was ok. Lots of families, no obviously scuzzy people. The weird thing is it was the overnight sleeper train, but there were bright lights on all night.
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alljokingaside



Joined: 17 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oops! I meant singapore! my cheeks are red. must be the soju


Kaypea- also, how much did it cost? how long did it take you to travel from departure to arrival?

thanks!
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interestedinhanguk



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vietnam is not connected to these countries by train. It is broken off by Laos and Cambodia. Its only international connection is to China.
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JBomb



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

check out http://www.seat61.com/ for some maps, fares, routes, and schedules. Really good. Been using it to plan something similar for my Winter Break.
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interestedinhanguk



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JBomb wrote:
check out http://www.seat61.com/ for some maps, fares, routes, and schedules. Really good. Been using it to plan something similar for my Winter Break.


The OP wrote:
Hey,

i read on seat61.com that a train connects malaysia, thailand, laos, and vietnam. Does anyone have info on/exp. with this train system? like timetable (how long does it take to get from eg kuala lumpur to chiang mai or laos), prices, friendliness (ie should i bring a metal vest to avoid stab wounds?) etc.

debating training it or flying during my break, using kuala lumpur as an entry point
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JBomb



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whoops sorry
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alljokingaside



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roughly how long does it take to go from one stop to the next? or, i guess more specifically, kuala lumpur -> nong khai/chiang mai? i can't seem to find this info out on the site

http://www.seat61.com/Map-SEAsia.htm

Vietnam doesn't connect by train (only bus it seems) but I'm not too concerned with vietnam anyway. the plan's to fly into kuala lumpur and head toward either 1)vientianne via nong khai or to 2)chiang mai (or both perhaps if time allows)

im trying to decide whether or not it'll be a waste of time to take the train (ie if i'll spend half of my time there on the train) vs flying to my destinations // if the cost of airfare make up for time spent. thats the information that's inaccessible either due to their poorly designed website or my technological illiteracy.

Thanks for all the replies!


and for some reason, i've this feeling of deja vu...
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chris_J2



Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:05 pm    Post subject: SEA Reply with quote

Try looking at the State Railways of Thailand English website for timetables.

http://www.railway.co.th/english/index.asp

The International train from Butterworth on the west coast of Malaysia (try to get an air con berth: the train sits in the midday sun until 2 pm departure & Butterworth is one of the most hot & humid places I've been), travels through Hatyai (5 minute stop), & on to Surat Thani. Almost all the bombings & insurgency problems are on the east coast, around Yala, Naraithiwat, Songkla etc. I wouldn't spend any / too much time in Hatyai either, where there have been a couple of serious incidents.

You could break the long train journey with a detour to Railey Bay / Ao Nang / Ko Phi Phi in the Krabi area, or get to Bkk with a bus/boat combo from Surat Thani to Ko Samui / Ko Pha Ngan, island hop to Ko Tao, & rejoin the train at Chumphon (using another boat from Ko Tao to Chumphon port). Hua Hin & Petchaburi are other stop off options on the way to Bkk. Chiang Mai is a dead end as far as rail goes, & from there you'd fly to Kunming in China, or Vientiane in Laos. Nong Khai is opposite Vientiane on the Mekong River, & the Thai rail line terminates there. A quick bus trip across the Friendship Bridge & you're there (Vientiane). Rail & road infrastructure in Laos is poor. You either boat up & down the Mekong or fly.

ps, there are adequate bus services between Chiang Mai & Nong Khai. Another entry point to Laos is via Huay Xai & from there you fly to Vientiane (or if you're feeling adventurous, a 2-3 day boat trip along the Mekong River).


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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alljokingaside wrote:
Roughly how long does it take to go from one stop to the next? or, i guess more specifically, kuala lumpur -> nong khai/chiang mai? i can't seem to find this info out on the site

http://www.seat61.com/Map-SEAsia.htm

Vietnam doesn't connect by train (only bus it seems) but I'm not too concerned with vietnam anyway. the plan's to fly into kuala lumpur and head toward either 1)vientianne via nong khai or to 2)chiang mai (or both perhaps if time allows)

im trying to decide whether or not it'll be a waste of time to take the train (ie if i'll spend half of my time there on the train) vs flying to my destinations // if the cost of airfare make up for time spent. thats the information that's inaccessible either due to their poorly designed website or my technological illiteracy.

Thanks for all the replies!


and for some reason, i've this feeling of deja vu...


You are best avoiding the the far southern provinces of Narathiwat, Pattani, Yala, and Songkhla (including the city of Hat Yai). These provinces have been experiencing criminally and politically motivated violent incidents, including acts attributed to armed insurgents and Muslim rebels.

Attacks against military and civilian targets occur almost daily, and include shootings, bombings, beheadings, and arson.

Take a boat or (best choice) plane to get around the problem. Surface (land) travel in the far south (rail or road) is asking for problems and that is assuming the military hasn't closed it all down again (as often happens) when incidents occur.

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chris_J2



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:13 pm    Post subject: SEA Reply with quote

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(land) travel in the far south (rail or road) is asking for problems


Disagree. I've never had a problem using the west coast going to or from Malaysia <-> Thailand. Have caught the train from / to Butterworth several times to / from Surat Thani. I've also caught busses several times between Penang & Krabi (west coast) /Surat Thani, without incident, & which bypass Hatyai altogether. The only odd thing (about the shuttle busses) is that the drivers ask for all the passenger's passports, either at the border, (Padang Besar), or in Penang, & process them in bulk to save time, then hand them back to you. But agreed, the east coast of Thailand adjacent to the Malay border is a 'no go' zone, & exiting Malaysia via Kota Bharu on the east coast is NOT recommended. The main rail link goes along the west coast of Malaysia to Penang / Butterworth & avoids the east coast, anyway. The odds of something happening to the international train as it briefly passes through Hatyai are extremely remote. There was an incident at the Hatyai Airport a few years back.

Found this on Wiki re Hatyai:

Quote:
On April 3, 2005, two bomb attacks at a Carrefour department store and Hat Yai International Airport were made by separatists. The attacks killed two people and injured dozens.

On September 16, 2006 a series of bomb attacks killed four people and injured over 70. Although no one claimed responsibility for the attacks, local separatists are suspected... The attack consisted of six bombs which were detonated at around 9:30 pm in the Ocean Department Store, in front of the Brown Sugar Pub, a car parking building, Big C shopping mall, the Lee Garden Hotel and Diana Department Store.[1][2] The bombs were planted on motorcycles and were triggered by mobile phone. The attacks have marred a day which was supposed to have been dominated by a military peace rally held in the south.
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young_clinton



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: SE Asia: trains or Planning my mustachioed getaway Reply with quote

alljokingaside wrote:
Hey,

i read on seat61.com that a train connects malaysia, thailand, laos, and vietnam. Does anyone have info on/exp. with this train system? like timetable (how long does it take to get from eg kuala lumpur to chiang mai or laos), prices, friendliness (ie should i bring a metal vest to avoid stab wounds?) etc.

debating training it or flying during my break, using kuala lumpur as an entry point


Kuala Lumpur, Goergetown, Bangkok, Chiang Mai and Vientienne are directly connected by train. Vietnam you have to take a bus or plane. I don't know if the train goes directly into Laos yet, but it definitely stops within 2 miles of the border and you can easily take a bus the extra 20 miles from the Laos immigration checkpoint to Vientienne.

If you want some advice don't ever go 3rd class through Issan to Laos, you'll regret it unless you're really into mixing with cultures at the lowest level. 2nd class sleeper is the best.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: SEA Reply with quote

chris_J2 wrote:
But agreed, the east coast of Thailand adjacent to the Malay border is a 'no go' zone, & exiting Malaysia via Kota Bharu on the east coast is NOT recommended.


It really isn't that bad. The train though is VERY VERY slow due to the security measures put in place. That's why I wouldn't recommend taking the train on that side of Thailand. Well that and the fact that the Thai town at that border crossing is a dump and getting to Kota Bharu once you cross over is a bit time consuming.
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