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My long term Korea/Asia plan......

 
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itiswhatitis



Joined: 08 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:19 pm    Post subject: My long term Korea/Asia plan...... Reply with quote

I Came to Korea to teach in 2007. Was a 25 year old loser with a BA in politics from an average university with a low GPA.

Had no plan at the time and wanted something totally different/a new challenage. So I came to Korea to teach English.

Have been studying Korean and have my Korean level up to intermediate. I plan to take the TOPIK test and to have working knowledge of Korean within the next 1-2 years.

Then I will make the move to Shanghai to teach (adults) and learn Mandarin. After that I will take a master's in East Asia studies and maybe eventually a Ph.D. in east asia studies. I will upgrade my undergrad. marks by taking correspondance courses from Athabasca University (a Canadian online university).

By the time I get my masters I will be in my late 30's and my Ph.D. I will likely be in my early 40's. Although age is not a huge concern for me.

I figure that teaching experience, living in east asia, working in east asia, learning 2 east asian languages and having a masters/maybe a Ph.D. is a good plan.

People often ask me why I teach abroad for so long. What I wrote above is the awnser, although I usually don't feel like explaining it so I just say "I enjoy learning new languages". I still think of myself as being somewhat of a loser but I am optimistic about my future.

I am a buddhist and don't drink alcohol. I have a small social circle which is made up mostly of friends from languages classes and former co-workers. This helps me to be engaged in my studies and work.

Any insight/feedback???

Thanks!!!
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Lucas



Joined: 11 Sep 2012

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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master's in East Asia studies and maybe eventually a Ph.D. in East Asia studies


Why? What career paths will this open for you?

So you're going to get half decent at Korean, and then leave to get half decent at Chinese and then get a PhD in East Asian studies?

That also (please correct me if I�m wrong) sounds like an arse wipe of a qualification.....

What are you doing about family btw - do you want one/have one?

Surely it would be better to become FLUENT in one language and put that to use in a well thought out planned way (before you invest the time/energy and money) into learning it......?
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augustine



Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México

PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Any insight/feedback???


Yes, you will fail. Twisted Evil

Just kidding. Yeah, I'd say it's about time to get moving on to bigger and better things. It's a young man's game. You don't want to bank on working a public school job for the rest of your life unless you want to end up like some colossal loser like TUM. Surprised
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salutbonjour



Joined: 22 Jan 2013

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You hope to get intermediate in Korean and Chinese, which is nowhere near high enough to be taken seriously to do any type of work in Korean or Chinese.

What kind of career will a PhD in East Asian Studies open you? It's a popular minor nowadays, but a PhD just sounds like wishing to be unemployable.

Your plan is just a bunch of things you'd like to do and stops short of giving any lead into any possible employment besides teaching English in university, which by the time you finish your Ph.D. will still pay the same 2.1-2.7M yet become much more competitive.

Heck, decide where you want to live to begin with. Two years in China will accomplish nothing for your employability in Korea.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you can own a business I don't think Asia is a good place to be a foreign employee. You'll be "the foreigner" basically in any country.

If you like teaching, maybe upgrade to work in the Gulf.

Although the money looks good when you're young, it doesn't by say 45. And if you are raising kids, you have to consider the cost of schooling.
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hiamnotcool



Joined: 06 Feb 2012

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: My long term Korea/Asia plan...... Reply with quote

itiswhatitis wrote:
I Came to Korea to teach in 2007. Was a 25 year old loser with a BA in politics from an average university with a low GPA.

Had no plan at the time and wanted something totally different/a new challenage. So I came to Korea to teach English.

Have been studying Korean and have my Korean level up to intermediate. I plan to take the TOPIK test and to have working knowledge of Korean within the next 1-2 years.

Then I will make the move to Shanghai to teach (adults) and learn Mandarin. After that I will take a master's in East Asia studies and maybe eventually a Ph.D. in east asia studies. I will upgrade my undergrad. marks by taking correspondance courses from Athabasca University (a Canadian online university).

By the time I get my masters I will be in my late 30's and my Ph.D. I will likely be in my early 40's. Although age is not a huge concern for me.

I figure that teaching experience, living in east asia, working in east asia, learning 2 east asian languages and having a masters/maybe a Ph.D. is a good plan.

People often ask me why I teach abroad for so long. What I wrote above is the awnser, although I usually don't feel like explaining it so I just say "I enjoy learning new languages". I still think of myself as being somewhat of a loser but I am optimistic about my future.

I am a buddhist and don't drink alcohol. I have a small social circle which is made up mostly of friends from languages classes and former co-workers. This helps me to be engaged in my studies and work.

Any insight/feedback???

Thanks!!!


It sounds like you have thought it out, and I think it's achievable. Have you talked to anyone that has taken the same route as you? I would suggest finding someone with a PhD in Asian studies and asking them where it has taken them if you haven't done that already. I was considering a few careers in Korea that didn't involve ESL until I talked to some guys that were working in them. I came to the conclusion that if I ended up here long term I would probably be doing ESL work permanently. They didn't sound too happy about their circumstances compared to the older ESL teachers I know.

What do you plan on doing with the PhD anyway?
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MiXX



Joined: 30 Aug 2012

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am going to be blunt. That is a terrible plan dude.

Ill pm with a legit plan which will allow you to still do the things you enjoy.
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Paddycakes



Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go home, do an MBA, join a company that will allow you to transfer to Asia.

Your happiness as an expat is a function of your income and social status.

Sadly, this explains why a lot of long-term ESL Instructors are generally stressed and miserable.
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The King of Kwangju



Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Location: New York City

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I think it's awesome that people who consider themselves "losers" can totally remake themselves.

I highly doubt you are a loser anymore, buddy.

Anyway, I think that getting a PhD just because it sounds like a good idea, is a bad idea. You will probably drop out, or finish and not know what to do with yourself, and you will be 40+.

If you like languages, maybe you should concentrate on that.

And if you like teaching, maybe you should concentrate on that. Many people teach as a real career - it gives them time, money, and (sometimes) fulfillment. Sounds like a good deal to me, and you are most of the way there.
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, it sounds like a pretty good plan.

Asia is the future; being based over here, educated and speaking a few languages ain't bad. But you need to think of things as an entrepreneur, sniff out opportunities! There are many now and I imagine they will only increase.

I'm doing it the easy way, employed by US firm while I invest and develop connections on this side.
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: My long term Korea/Asia plan...... Reply with quote

itiswhatitis wrote:

...don't drink alcohol.

Any insight/feedback???


But that part needs to change. You need to start drinking if you want to make deals and do business here.
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wishfullthinkng



Joined: 05 Mar 2010

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's sad that teaching is considered such a bad job in today's day and age. in what twisted world is giving knowledge and information to those who don't have it considered worse than being a desk jockey at a major corporation, doing nothing to better yourself or anyone else.

oh yeah, the world we live in.
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KimchiNinja



Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wishfullthinkng wrote:
it's sad that teaching is considered such a bad job in today's day and age. in what twisted world is giving knowledge and information to those who don't have it considered worse than being a desk jockey at a major corporation, doing nothing to better yourself or anyone else.


That's a good point. But as I understand it Asia/KR values teachers more than the West. It is a nobel profession here. Still more nobel to be a VP @ Samsung, but tis the world we live in.
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Allthechildrenareinsane



Joined: 23 Jun 2011
Location: Lost in a Roman wilderness of pain

PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:07 am    Post subject: Re: My long term Korea/Asia plan...... Reply with quote

itiswhatitis wrote:
I Came to Korea to teach in 2007. Was a 25 year old loser with a BA in politics from an average university with a low GPA.

Had no plan at the time and wanted something totally different/a new challenage. So I came to Korea to teach English.

Have been studying Korean and have my Korean level up to intermediate. I plan to take the TOPIK test and to have working knowledge of Korean within the next 1-2 years.

Then I will make the move to Shanghai to teach (adults) and learn Mandarin. After that I will take a master's in East Asia studies and maybe eventually a Ph.D. in east asia studies. I will upgrade my undergrad. marks by taking correspondance courses from Athabasca University (a Canadian online university).

By the time I get my masters I will be in my late 30's and my Ph.D. I will likely be in my early 40's. Although age is not a huge concern for me.

I figure that teaching experience, living in east asia, working in east asia, learning 2 east asian languages and having a masters/maybe a Ph.D. is a good plan.

People often ask me why I teach abroad for so long. What I wrote above is the awnser, although I usually don't feel like explaining it so I just say "I enjoy learning new languages". I still think of myself as being somewhat of a loser but I am optimistic about my future.

I am a buddhist and don't drink alcohol. I have a small social circle which is made up mostly of friends from languages classes and former co-workers. This helps me to be engaged in my studies and work.

Any insight/feedback???

Thanks!!!


A good plan for what, exactly? It's not clear from your post what sort of career path you're envisioning for yourself, OP. A PhD is good for pretty much one thing: becoming a university professor. While tenure-track jobs are few and far between back in North America (at least on the US side of the border), you might be able to land a tenure-track job in Korea if you decide to go the PhD route. You could also possibly get a job in government, at a think tank or some sort of nonprofit or NGO that focuses on East Asia in some capacity, though I believe those positions are pretty competitive.

I think, if you want to stay in East Asia, it might be a good idea to choose between either Korea or China and focus your energies on developing a career (and a life) in one of those two countries. If you become fluent in at least the language of one of those two while putting down some roots and making the right social contacts, you could open up a lot more opportunities for yourself whether in EFL or some other field.
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