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Would you?
I would, yes.
13%
 13%  [ 2 ]
I wouldn't, no.
40%
 40%  [ 6 ]
Only if I got that 2.4 rise from 2.2
46%
 46%  [ 7 ]
Total Votes : 15

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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:51 am    Post subject: Opinions Reply with quote

Renewing contract....

2.3 mil (try to haggle to 2.4)
5 days extra holiday (so 11 in all... was 6 before) paid.
2 weeks back at home. one week of which is paid.
Promised the better schedules.

Stress free job, but no breaks whatsoever between classes (breaks currently but this will soon change when classes re-fill).
Teaching material lame and frankly sh*tty.

The place has been blacklisted twice, but they treat me well because they like me.

Phone teach all students every month and evaluate.

Location... 30 mins by subway to Seoul. (as you can see, Anyang).

I'm a very decisive man. Except now. And most occasions in life. So I want some other losers to create a poll-like opinion for me to consider.

Cheerio ^_^
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morrisonhotel



Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to recall you writing that you had a rather heavy schedule so I went with no as you seem like an amiable chap.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your poll has 2.2 and 2.4, but your post has 2.3 and 2.4. Present your premise more accurately. Also, it's "raise", not "rise".

Holidays is not an objective part to deciding a job. Some people need them, while others don't. One school forced me to take winter vacation days in April because I didn't use them all in winter.

What you should do is post the contract. Or, you could post the contract with modified areas. I think this will get a better response. Obviously, you want more pay. All jobs are like this. What makes you think the school will accept the other stuff? What will you do for them in return? Again, this points to the contract.

However, seeing that you noted teaching material was bad, I would probably look for another school. I average like 6 months or less before I have to split crap schools. I stick around for 1-4 years if they are good and there is a reason to be there.

It doesn't sound like you have a reason to be at your school. You are trying to get time away from them. Perhaps you are afraid you can't get another school so you are trying to get other people to drum up reasons to stay where are. A bit of a security blanket syndrome. Burn the blanket and make a decision where you want to be.
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going to change it to 'rising from 2.2' to be a smartass, but I can't seem to edit the poll part now.

Anyway, the poll does indeed cover all grounds. Yes, for 2.3, no for any cost or yes for 2.4.

2.2 isn't an option, of course.

helpful and psychological post there, though.

It's certainly not about fear, I was at first entirely willing and 100% expecting myself to move to another place, for variation. Another year of the same seems like the biggest point to consider for me. (in bold for sentence below)
I'm confident that I can get a new job, and very willing to do the gamble. It could be worse, but it could also be a lot better.

Really, truly, the blanket is the actual problem for the reason in bold.

I think they would accept my offers because I'm the best they've had in the 4 years they've existed. I know by the way they treat me compared to how they treat the others.

But... It is an easy job, it's a nice location, it would save so much time money and effort moving all my stuff that i've gathered over the months.

I would be the first ever to re-contract. I'm only the second to fully complete a contract out of... 9 foreign teachers.

If others were in my shoes, that is what I'd like to know. Because perhaps I am delusional and just accustomed.

For example, I went to Hong Kong and was shocked about how great the place was, how happy the people were, how colourful its existence was.
Perhaps I'm just accustomed to utter shit, and don't think it's so bad, when really I could have hell better.
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have a year of experience.

Assuming you'd rather live in Seoul, you can get a better job in Seoul. Just hunt like crazy, contact lots of recruiters and something better will come up.

Good luck.
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Reise-ohne-Ende



Joined: 07 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS in America we say 'raise', but in Britain they say 'rise'. Or so I've read.
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reise-ohne-Ende wrote:
PS in America we say 'raise', but in Britain they say 'rise'. Or so I've read.


Well I said rise naturally because in the UK you say 'pay rise' not 'pay raise'.

The words individually i think are objectively different in meaning globally, though.

And yeah I think I'll spend a little while looking around before getting back to her but she left it so short notice I don't have much time to make a decision...
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you even think you are worth 2.4 plus extra vacation days Question
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see how someone can just say "pay me 200,000 more per month". Are you really teaching more students?
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
I don't see how someone can just say "pay me 200,000 more per month". Are you really teaching more students?


I am indeed teaching by far, more students than anyone else. last month was 67, the next highest number for a teacher was 46.

They know the parents prefer me so they tend to lump all the students into my classes. I'm the one that gets things done on time, the one that offers to do extra work, and doesn't complain, My system of teaching is better and I'm more thorough than the others.

I think I am worth it, considering their bad luck so far with the others. One who disappeared mid-class and went home and ignored calls etc, who also didn't bother doing any of the phone teaching in the month - a devastating result, really, who is also about to make a run for it.

Another who stored alcohol in his classroom, argued constantly and had countless complaints from parents (none for me, except one grand exceptional occasion many months ago), and basically he was feared due to his weirdness.

Another said their grandparent died and they had to go back home, and then they saw them weeks later in seoul, with a new job. another blacklisted after disagreements etc etc etc.

I think they would make the plunge at least to 2.35. I wanna squeeze as much as I can...


And I can say 200,000 more because standard would be 100,000 and the only other guy to finish a contract was offered from his original standing of 2.4 (no teaching experience etc but older man), to 2.6. He had to leave anyway in the end but if they can do it with him, they can with me, I'm semi-sure.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a W100,000 raise per month seems downright stingy if you ask me. A pay raise of W200,000 a month is not unreasonable at all for a teacher signing on for a second year. That's pretty close to what a hogwon can expect to save just by not having to pay for a recruiter fee and airfare for a new hire. If you haven't already, point this out to your boss.



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Promised the better schedules.


I'd get this promise in writing if I were you. Your hogwon's track record with other teachers has shown them to be less than trustworthy. Short hours on-site are the best thing any hogwon can offer you, as far as I'm concerned.

Still, since you seem to be happy enough with your situation overall, I'd say push for what you can get an re-sign. the job market is tighter than ever right now, and a year's experience really doesn't mean all that much. Plus, having a second year at the same school is good for your resume, especially if you do plan to move on to bigger and better things here (e.g. uni job). Something to consider, at least.

Good luck.
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
Just a W100,000 raise per month seems downright stingy if you ask me. A pay raise of W200,000 a month is not unreasonable at all for a teacher signing on for a second year. That's pretty close to what a hogwon can expect to save just by not having to pay for a recruiter fee and airfare for a new hire. If you haven't already, point this out to your boss.



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Promised the better schedules.


I'd get this promise in writing if I were you. Your hogwon's track record with other teachers has shown them to be less than trustworthy. Short hours on-site are the best thing any hogwon can offer you, as far as I'm concerned.

Still, since you seem to be happy enough with your situation overall, I'd say push for what you can get an re-sign. the job market is tighter than ever right now, and a year's experience really doesn't mean all that much. Plus, having a second year at the same school is good for your resume, especially if you do plan to move on to bigger and better things here (e.g. uni job). Something to consider, at least.

Good luck.


Quite a nice opinion from the other end of the spectrum, Cheers.

The boss IS trustworthy, in the sense that I have and will always get paid on time. The only untrustworthiness is if they don't like you, they are unprofessional enough to give you a much harder time. But I already have that out the way.

That, and the boss is a little unorganised. For example she said she'd give me these terms BEFORE christmas, for me to make my decision straight after the break. It was today. several weeks later than promised that I recieved it...

But this is good because if I'm late she says 'it's ok, I'm late all the time', or whatever. Hence the lack of stress.

Is there a particularly set in stone way to look for jobs whilst in Korea, rather than just looking online? Or are people expected to walk into odd places and ask, or word-of-mouth?
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I am indeed teaching by far, more students than anyone else. last month was 67, the next highest number for a teacher was 46.


Then what it sounds like is you lost some overtime pay. They have used you.

Quote:
Phone teach all students every month and evaluate.


Quote:
Another who stored alcohol in his classroom


I don't understand how that works. How do you do all phone teaching but also have a classroom?
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Globutron



Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
Quote:
I am indeed teaching by far, more students than anyone else. last month was 67, the next highest number for a teacher was 46.


Then what it sounds like is you lost some overtime pay. They have used you.

Quote:
Phone teach all students every month and evaluate.


Quote:
Another who stored alcohol in his classroom


I don't understand how that works. How do you do all phone teaching but also have a classroom?


Second and third week of every month you finish classes, grab a phone and call kids until you are done 10pm, 11pm if necessary. It's difficult to squeeze the time in but hey. Sometimes I use my own phone and call them at home.

It's not overtime, the teaching hours never go over the contract. It's just mine are ON the limit, the others are under the limit.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
It's not overtime, the teaching hours never go over the contract.


Well, that wasn't the point. If they are moving students into the same class to avoid paying you, then it's still taking advantage of you. However, I see you have your blind spots and don't care to recognize it.


Quote:
Phone teach all students every month and evaluate.

Quote:
you finish classes, grab a phone and call kids


Then you aren't phone teaching exclusively, that's the impression I got. You meant it was in addition in your original post. So you actually phone teach 67 students after classroom classes, and this is not overtime?

I question the quality of lesson you could give a student, on the phone alone, not to mention trying to fit 67.

You make it sound like you need an ego boost, "Look at me, all qualified, school takes advantage of me, I don't need overtime, I can leap tall buildings and teach simultaneously (67 students? Come on man)".

Let's hear you brag some more Laughing Laughing Laughing
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