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jst



Joined: 14 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:17 am    Post subject: Why teach kindergarten at hagwons? Reply with quote

I was looking at hagwon job postings and I was wondering, "Why would someone teach kindergarten?"

1. You work more hours compared to people who just teach elementary and middle school, and you get the same pay.
2. You have to eat lunch with the children.
3. Your clothes are likely to get damaged (torn or stained) at some point due to children being children.
4. You have to prep a lot more to keep them interested.
5. You have to deal with crying.
6. You have to deal with all their energy (sometimes you want a little peace in the classroom, but that likely won't happen with kindergarten)

These are just some things that came to mind.

So, why would someone teach kindergarten?
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:04 am    Post subject: Re: Why teach kindergarten at hagwons? Reply with quote

jst wrote:
I was looking at hagwon job postings and I was wondering, "Why would someone teach kindergarten?"

1. You work more hours compared to people who just teach elementary and middle school, and you get the same pay.
2. You have to eat lunch with the children.
3. Your clothes are likely to get damaged (torn or stained) at some point due to children being children.
4. You have to prep a lot more to keep them interested.
5. You have to deal with crying.
6. You have to deal with all their energy (sometimes you want a little peace in the classroom, but that likely won't happen with kindergarten)

These are just some things that came to mind.

So, why would someone teach kindergarten?


1.) Not entirely. Kindy teachers finish earlier. Some peolpe don't like working late night (like hagwons until 9 or 10). I work 10-5 three times a week and 10-4 the other two days.
2.) Not always. I don't.
3.) Wear cheap work clothes. Kindy teachers are usually allowed to be casual.
4.) Not really. They work slowly.
5.) It's not that bad, really. They cheer up and forget about it in 5 minutes.
6.) You just have to know how to channel it and control them. It's not that hard. (They can tire easily and are quite calm after activity).
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vermouth



Joined: 21 Dec 2009
Location: Guro, Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love, love teaching kindergarten students.

I've taught just elementary, subbed in Middle school and kinder+ elementary and Kindergarten students are way better.

1--Teaching kindergarten is vastly more fun. Almost none of the kids are ever being forced to go to school against their will the way that many students are in elementary and moreso in middle school.

2--Kindergarteners are just happier people than elementary and middle school students. They haven't gotten jaded by the system yet.

3--They're easier to please. If you're at all playful or energetic you can really make kindergarten students happy.

4--You'll notice a much bigger improvement because they start at a lower level. Most of your students you'll see grow by leaps and bounds over the 5-7 time they're in preschool-Kindergarten.

5--Strangely there will be less broken about their English. Less stuff has been firetrucked up. I see less pointless articles, less ridiculous sentences, more consistent usage of common phrases amongst kindergarten. For instance my kindergarten students would all ask, "May I go to the bathroom?" Whereas my elementary school students at my last job would often struggle to remember the word bathroom and give me a "Teacher, bathroom?"

6--You don't always work more hours, you don't always work through lunch. Yeah you have to deal with their energy but in middle school you have to try to magically give students energy.

But once you learn to accept that teaching little kids comes with a bit more chaos then you can realize that they're so much more fun.

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cyui



Joined: 10 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kindy Hours are awesome! Higher Pay, but WAY harder to get.

I would love to have one, but don't think that going to happen.
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cragesmure



Joined: 23 Oct 2010

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, if I have to teach kids, kindy is definitely the best for me. Sure, there are downsides, but I'd rather deal with a 6 year old than a 12 or 13 year old any day of the week.
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ktkates87



Joined: 13 Apr 2010
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love working at my kindie hagwon. I might try to teach older students in the future but just because the next places on my list of where I want to teach require this. In any case, this is my experience of working at a kindie hagwon.

We dont have to eat with the kids. The Korean teachers do that, and we get a 50 minute break. We can eat there for free or go out.

The hours are good for me. I work from around 10am and finish by 530 every day. Aside from the 50 minute break for lunch every day, I get 4 other 40-50 minute breaks during the week on various days.

We do cool stuff like go on field trips. There's also usually a birthday party in the class once or twice a month which breaks up the day a bit. We have a playroom that I get to run around in with them some days.

The kids are fast learners and are incredibly enthusiastic about being there. They work hard and you see alot of growth in each student. The kids are also SUPER CUTE. I have 5 year olds that write and memorize speeches, and participate in english song competitions. I enjoy seeing this every day.

Another point, my kindergarten kids worship me. I joke about having a posse because they're always running to greet me at the door and following me around all day. They write me little letters along the lines of "I love kate teacher." It's more than I can say about some of my older elementary students that I teach later in the afternoon.

One last small perk about my school are the gifts we get from the parents. Kids are always bringing me iced coffee in the morning, or when it was christmas time I scored nice perfume, kiehls facewash and a pair of expensive leather gloves. Parents also like to drop off krispy cremes and fancy juices all the time. I'm sure you get this in other jobs too, but it's nice getting to know the parents and seeing them around. They're alot more involved than the parents whose kids just come for an hour 2 or 3 times per week.

All in all it's a decent gig. My days and weeks go by really fast and I enjoy working where I do. Maybe it's because I'm a big kid that I like it so much. The only thing I hate is the constant whining you get from some kids. They dont seem to be taught the concept of "tough $h!t" at home.
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gypsymaria



Joined: 08 Jun 2010
Location: Anyang-si, Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vermouth wrote:
For instance my kindergarten students would all ask, "May I go to the bathroom?" Whereas my elementary school students at my last job would often struggle to remember the word bathroom and give me a "Teacher, bathroom?"


I've been teaching my kindie kids to say "May I go to the bathroom?", though in one particular class, a girl would always say, "I want a pee-pee." I think her mother taught her that. Anyway, now ALL the kids in THAT particular class say, "I want a pee-pee." I still can't decide whether it's adorable or annoying. Laughing

Kindergarten is NOT for everyone. You need to have a lot of energy. You need to be willing to get a little dirty, and deal with things like runny noses and crying (and in some cases, helping them go to the bathroom, though all of my kids are THANKFULLY toilet trained). I have had to deal with crying. It's not fun, but it usually doesn't last long, and if you're patient with them and can convince them that they're going to have a lot of fun in your class, they'll love you even more.

I actually do love my kindergarten classes. I posted about my horrible violent class back when I first started teaching. Well, two and a half months later, they've all been either switched to other classes, dropped, or completely reformed. I still have a few difficult students, but with a bit of extra attention and firmness, they're really improving. And it is amazing how much little kids retain. I teach a word to them in one class, and they almost ALWAYS remember it even if it comes up weeks later. It's very rewarding.

Communication can be difficult, especially with the very youngest who are just now getting exposure to English. I learned the words for "bathroom" and "water" in Korean just to avoid any misunderstanding when I troop them all out of the room for a break. I used the Korean words along with the English for the first couple of weeks, then stopped, and only start using them again when we get a new student or if the kids seem to not be catching on. Never had a bathroom accident in my room, thank goodness (and knock on wood!).

If you don't like kids, or don't like to deal with really little kids, maybe it's not for you. I teach kids at the Uiwang EPC from ages 5 to 14 (so I don't deal with most of the problems you've mentioned, like working hours and lunches), and I've got to say, aside from my REALLY GOOD group of 4th-graders, I have the most fun with the kindergarten/preschool crowd. They're a blast. Very Happy
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: Why teach kindergarten at hagwons? Reply with quote

jst wrote:
I was looking at hagwon job postings and I was wondering, "Why would someone teach kindergarten?"

1. You work more hours compared to people who just teach elementary and middle school, and you get the same pay.
2. You have to eat lunch with the children.
3. Your clothes are likely to get damaged (torn or stained) at some point due to children being children.
4. You have to prep a lot more to keep them interested.
5. You have to deal with crying.
6. You have to deal with all their energy (sometimes you want a little peace in the classroom, but that likely won't happen with kindergarten)

These are just some things that came to mind.

So, why would someone teach kindergarten?


I don't have to eat lunch with the children.

My clothes have never been damaged, nor do I see how they would get damaged.

My kinder kids are significantly easier to keep interested than older students, as they think pretty much everything is hilarious.

My kids don't cry.

They calm down when I tell them to.

But why do I continue teaching kindy? It's fun. Little kids are awesome. I wouldn't want to teach five year olds again, but everything else is really easy.
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gypsymaria wrote:


I've been teaching my kindie kids to say "May I go to the bathroom?", though in one particular class, a girl would always say, "I want a pee-pee." I think her mother taught her that. Anyway, now ALL the kids in THAT particular class say, "I want a pee-pee." I still can't decide whether it's adorable or annoying. Laughing


A little off-topic, but that reminded me of my kids last year. Whenever a student is missing I say, "Where's ____ (student name)?" The present students will tell me that he or he isn't at school or in the bathroom etc.

Anyways, some of my students found a new way of telling me that someone is in the bathroom. Instead of actually saying it, they would clench their fists, scrunch their faces, grunt and stick their butts out. It was hilarious. I tried to get them to speak, but it was too funny.
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was illegal for E-2 visa holders to work at kindergartens.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I was told.


If you're at a regular hagwon that just has a few kindie classes, I suppose that's OK, but if the school ain't set up to teach Kindie....it won't be so great.
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interestedinhanguk



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

some waygug-in wrote:
I thought it was illegal for E-2 visa holders to work at kindergartens.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I was told.


If you're at a regular hagwon that just has a few kindie classes, I suppose that's OK, but if the school ain't set up to teach Kindie....it won't be so great.


Ugh. It's simply not true. I don't know why people keep spreading that rumor. A poster here mentioned that it is illegal in Taiwan, but I won't even claim that.
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cyui



Joined: 10 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone's good hagwon hiring? Not really picky with location/hours, but want an open-minded director, who has experienced, lived abroad and gotton used to working specifically with Non-Koreans'.

I have my documents' ready now and live close to the Atlanta Consulate.

Thank-you.


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gypsymaria



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Location: Anyang-si, Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never heard anything about not being able to teach kindergarten with an E2. My recruiter specifically asked me if I'd be interested in teaching younger children, and I immediately said yes. I was a nanny before I came here, so I love working with kids, and a lot of those skills carried over.
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interestedinhanguk



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyui wrote:
Anyone's good hagwon hiring? Not really picky with location/hours, but want an open-minded director, who has experienced, lived abroad and gotton used to working specifically with Non-Koreans'.

I have my documents' ready now and live close to the Atlanta Consulate.

Thank-you.

If only there were a place where you could post your resume and make it known that you're looking for a job...
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

interestedinhanguk wrote:
some waygug-in wrote:
I thought it was illegal for E-2 visa holders to work at kindergartens.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I was told.


If you're at a regular hagwon that just has a few kindie classes, I suppose that's OK, but if the school ain't set up to teach Kindie....it won't be so great.


Ugh. It's simply not true. I don't know why people keep spreading that rumor. A poster here mentioned that it is illegal in Taiwan, but I won't even claim that.


My understanding is that it's a legal gray area in Taiwan. Technically it's illegal, but the government doesn't prosecute because the need is there.
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