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Which hagwon or chain in SK is most widely respected?
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DanseurVertical



Joined: 24 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:48 pm    Post subject: Which hagwon or chain in SK is most widely respected? Reply with quote

Among foreign teachers, as well as among the Korean populace. Thoughts?

[I know well that among chains, each has its exceptionally better or worse individual schools -- I'm just curious about general reputation.]
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olsanairbase



Joined: 30 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your premise is flawed since it assumes that ANY hogwan or hogwan is respected in SK.
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dyc



Joined: 16 Dec 2010
Location: Vancouver

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The S Koreans I've talked to seem to favor Avalon and ECC - the "big name" ones. But of course, we have all heard the horror stories from some of the YBM-ECC franchises.
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ktkates87



Joined: 13 Apr 2010
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for some reason every one in my town thinks their child will come out a genius if they go to Poly School.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a hagwan or chain to be truly respected I'd say it would need the following.

1) Only employ experienced and qualified teachers
2) Pay them around 3 million a month for around 20 hours a week of teaching with a sliding scale for more quailifications and experience.
3) Have regular teacher development workshops
4) Have management who are more experienced and qualified than the teachers, get paid more and have time down to observe teachers and give them constructive crtiticism.
5) Have a level system based on proper assessments and placement testing.

Otherwise it's probably just down to good marketing or current trend.
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misher



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For a hagwan or chain to be truly respected I'd say it would need the following.

1) Only employ experienced and qualified teachers
2) Pay them around 3 million a month for around 20 hours a week of teaching with a sliding scale for more quailifications and experience.
3) Have regular teacher development workshops
4) Have management who are more experienced and qualified than the teachers, get paid more and have time down to observe teachers and give them constructive crtiticism.
5) Have a level system based on proper assessments and placement testing.

Otherwise it's probably just down to good marketing or current trend


One of the hagwons I work for pretty much has 1, 3, 4 and 5.

However,

Quote:
2) Pay them around 3 million a month for around 20 hours a week of teaching with a sliding scale for more quailifications and experience.


Never going to happen. Pay will stay the same or go down from here (by adding more hours) on out I'm afraid. Too many newbies and MA TESOLs.
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Skyblue



Joined: 02 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the British Council count as a hagwon?
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even among Korean mothers and students there is little "respect" or loyalty for hagwons. They switch around to different ones at the drop of a hat and always try to cut side deals for groups in their churches or temples. If anything they are more loyal to certain teachers and will follow a good teacher to any hagwon.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a one; no korean owned hogwon is well respected, let alone respected. Same with chain schools.
These places are just to make money off of desperate parents hoping that their little Johnny/Susie can learn to speak decent English and be able to get a decent job and leave korea.
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edwardcatflap



Joined: 22 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does the British Council count as a hagwon?


Technically it's a registered charity so no. However cetrtain centres like Seoul are cash cows to generate income to prop up centres which don't generate any income but are in strategically important countries (like Iraq) so in a way they are. Though I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate anyone calling them one.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Respected by foreigners? None.

Respected by parents? Meh, I dunno.
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Skyblue



Joined: 02 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

edwardcatflap wrote:
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Does the British Council count as a hagwon?


Technically it's a registered charity so no. However cetrtain centres like Seoul are cash cows to generate income to prop up centres which don't generate any income but are in strategically important countries (like Iraq) so in a way they are. Though I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate anyone calling them one.

Yes, I guess my point was it's a chain school where you can teach English, and it's fairly highly regarded.
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vermouth



Joined: 21 Dec 2009
Location: Guro, Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was investigating before taking my current job I didn't really hear anyone who had much bad to say about Poly other than that it has you working a lot of hours. Which if that's most of what people are saying bad about a hagwon it's going pretty well.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, your premise is incorrect. Its not the chain or name of the hagwon that is important. It is the area it is in.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you care if it is respected?

You should be caring more about what the current teachers think about it and what kind of working conditions they have.


There is no such thing as a respected hagwon or chain.
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