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semi-fly



Joined: 07 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:52 am    Post subject: Is it still worth it? Reply with quote

I've been thinking about teaching in Korea now that I'm completing my degree this semester. I would really like an old-timers perspective on the current situation [the hassle they're facing with their employers and with immigration] but also some perspective from a "newbie" point of view as well.

Do the hoops/hassles you're going through make the experience worth the meager [one supposes] wages and the micro-/mis- management you have experienced [not specific to old-timers]?

Given that I would graduate in May, when would be the appropriate time to start the process to find/seek employment for the fall? Are there any glaringly obvious changes to the system/wages since mid-2009? Are GEPIK/EPIK/SMOE still the preferred choices? Is it still difficult to find work in or around Incheon/Busan?

To clarify some points:
- I would prefer to teach in a kindergarten/elementary school
- I am not opposed to teaching in a hagwon so long as the terms are right
- I have no real teaching experience outside tutoring one on one
- I do not have a teaching certificate
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bamboozler



Joined: 18 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've answered your own question. Korea is really not worth the hassles. Low pay, depreciating won, increasing political turmoil.

Stay home.
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Hotpants



Joined: 27 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're prepared to go through all the visa hoops, Korea is still doable for the newbie. You can still make fairly good coin if you land it lucky, too.

However, you might wanna ask yourself:

What are your motives for Korea--just the money? Probably need another reason.

Is English teaching something I want to do for just a year or two and move on? A stint in Korea won't be looked upon with much value if you are set on a longer-term career path back home. (My experience)
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isitts



Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:14 am    Post subject: Re: Is it still worth it? Reply with quote

semi-fly wrote:
I've been thinking about teaching in Korea now that I'm completing my degree this semester. I would really like an old-timers perspective on the current situation [the hassle they're facing with their employers and with immigration] but also some perspective from a "newbie" point of view as well.

Do the hoops/hassles you're going through make the experience worth the meager [one supposes] wages and the micro-/mis- management you have experienced [not specific to old-timers]?

Given that I would graduate in May, when would be the appropriate time to start the process to find/seek employment for the fall? Are there any glaringly obvious changes to the system/wages since mid-2009? Are GEPIK/EPIK/SMOE still the preferred choices? Is it still difficult to find work in or around Incheon/Busan?

To clarify some points:
- I would prefer to teach in a kindergarten/elementary school
- I am not opposed to teaching in a hagwon so long as the terms are right
- I have no real teaching experience outside tutoring one on one
- I do not have a teaching certificate



I think it's worth it. Not sure what you mean by meager wages. But I guess if you're just starting out in teaching, a public school job would be relatively low pay. But figure your housing is rent-free. And the won is rising against the...well, I was going to say the US dollar, but not sure where you're coming from.

I would think the further from Seoul you are, the easier it'll be to get the location you want.

Question is, do you want to be here? Your post doesn't make you sound too enthused.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pay really isn't meager if you're fresh out of uni. Quite the opposite, actually.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would never advise anyone to make a career of ESL.
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chellovek



Joined: 29 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the two posts above. To amalgamate- it's a bitter-sweet life.
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Ice Tea



Joined: 23 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never would have came if there had been as many regulations as there are today. You have to put up $300+ of your own cash in visa nonsense before you even board a flight. Then the school might cancel your contract before you come and your stranded. If your E2 I don't think its worth it.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ice Tea wrote:
I never would have came if there had been as many regulations as there are today. You have to put up $300+ of your own cash in visa nonsense before you even board a flight. Then the school might cancel your contract before you come and your stranded. If your E2 I don't think its worth it.


Not to mention some people are dropping $2500 on a CELTA and giving up a month's wage. Or a few hundred on a TESOL. All for a depreciated Won. More hours. Less pay. In a hit n miss industry.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it is worth it on many levels.

You need to ask yourself if it is worth it for YOU based on YOUR needs, expectations and capabilities...

Good luck.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
I would never advise anyone to make a career of ESL.
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As for this, it is pretty simplistic and MANY people have made great careers for themselves as TEFL-ESL Teachers.

Strangely enough, these people tend to be qualified and have upgraded their qualifications along the way.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PatrickGHBusan wrote:
bobbybigfoot wrote:
I would never advise anyone to make a career of ESL.
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As for this, it is pretty simplistic and MANY people have made great careers for themselves as TEFL-ESL Teachers.

Strangely enough, these people tend to be qualified and have upgraded their qualifications along the way.


Note the tenses being used.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbybigfoot wrote:
PatrickGHBusan wrote:
bobbybigfoot wrote:
I would never advise anyone to make a career of ESL.
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As for this, it is pretty simplistic and MANY people have made great careers for themselves as TEFL-ESL Teachers.

Strangely enough, these people tend to be qualified and have upgraded their qualifications along the way.


Note the tenses being used.


Indeed.

Still, ESL is still a very decent career path if you actually treat it as such. There is a difference between a "gig" and a career.

There are so many options out there right now that it is actually becoming a career with lots of avenues for success.

If you prefer: Many people have made, are making and can have, successful careers in ESL.
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semi-fly



Joined: 07 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My motives are not tied to money, though as many posters have suggested it is easy enough to save money while living in Korea, my motives stems primarily from opportunity to expand my horizons and to get some much need real world experience.

As for how long I would wish to stay that's not something someone can really determine until they get to experience the joy/horrors of teaching in Korea. From previous posts I've read it can be something of a crap shoot so if one is treated respectfully [I can already hear the laughter from older posters reading this] one would expect that I would want to stay for the foreseeable future.

I understand that the farther you are away from Seoul the easier it would be to find a good position, but as Seoul tends to fill up quite fast I was curious to see how well Incheon/Busan fill up after that.

Meager may have not been the appropriate word. Give the number of hours in front of the class and the remainder of stuff that you go through in a given day/week at your school and the potential school politics [good or bad]. Many posters have suggested that the w1.9-2.0 million they are getting paid/offered is less than appealing [in no uncertain terms would I expect a monthly salary of w2.3-2.5 million], but I don't think it's unreasonable to be paid more than the aforementioned monthly salary given all of the hoops/hassles one goes through at work.

I think I covered all of the questions asked. If there is anything missing let me know.

As to my enthusiasm in my initial post I am generally eager to come, it's just if I sound like a raving lunatic [which is entirely possible] I would get a lot of snide remarks and very little assistance with my questions. So I do appreciate the individuals who took time out and answered this lunatics questions.
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debb199



Joined: 15 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

semi-fly wrote:

Meager may have not been the appropriate word. Give the number of hours in front of the class and the remainder of stuff that you go through in a given day/week at your school and the potential school politics [good or bad]. Many posters have suggested that the w1.9-2.0 million they are getting paid/offered is less than appealing [in no uncertain terms would I expect a monthly salary of w2.3-2.5 million], but I don't think it's unreasonable to be paid more than the aforementioned monthly salary given all of the hoops/hassles one goes through at work.



With no teaching experience and no TEFL certificate I think you would be extremely lucky to find a position paying in excess of 2.3M. The going rate for newbie teachers at a hagwon is around 2.1M.

Pay scales for public school teachers are fixed depending on qualifications/experience. EPIK starts at 1.8M-2.0M for graduates with no teaching experience/TEFL certificate. I think GEPIK starts at 2.0M. If you're willing to work in a rural location, you can add 100,000 a month to that and if you invest in a TEFL course, then you can also bump your pay.
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