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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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 Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:47 am Post subject: English Job Discussion Forum |
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So my PS camp coteacher (contract teacher, not a certified CT) saw me surfing Dave's today and asked me what this website was.
I told her it was a website I go to to ask for help and to try to help other teachers with their problems. So she mentioned one that she uses for the Korean English contract teachers.
So naturally I asked her what they usually talk about on there and the answers were quite amusing.
According to her the top 3 threads are complaints:
3: Why do the Korean Contract teachers have to desk warm during vacation?
2: Why do the NET's get paid more than they do.
1: Complaint threads about lazy NETs.
I found this amusing because 3 and 1 are pretty much exactly the same as ours, except you can swap KCT and NET in each one. And number 2 sounds similar to cheating hagwon owner complaints.
Maybe we can both can focus on not being lazy and also try to put some pressure to get out of desk warming together. That would solve two of the biggest problems. |
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whiteshoes
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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There are some Korean public school teachers in my MATESOL course, and they tell me the same stuff.
They've also given me a lot of examples of what a "good" teacher is, and what a "bad" teacher is. |
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bobbybigfoot
Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| whiteshoes wrote: |
They've also given me a lot of examples of what a "good" teacher is, and what a "bad" teacher is. |
Do tell. |
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whiteshoes
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Most Koreans I know would say a good teacher is the following:
Active- to most of us this means being a clown.
Kind- for example, if a student comes up to them in the hall way and says, "hu-ah-ee" the teacher will say, "hello!" in a friendly tone back.
Hard working- some one who will do their lesson plans on time. They really like people who try to improve their own teaching skill. Remember, it's hard to be a teacher in Korea, so most of the teachers are pretty good at what they do. Or at least the ones taking my MATEOSL program are.
Team player- my friends like it when the native speaker will help think of lesson or sometimes even help clean up the teacher's room.
Most Koreans I know would say a bad teacher does the following:
Plays on facebook or texts during class- like during the lesson.
Comes to school drunk- yes it happens to Koreans too. The Koreans who do this aren't very profession either.
Battle mode- you know the type that argues over small details instead of discussing the issue?
Has problems- this is one of the more interesting things I've heard. But many of my Korean friends have told me that some native speakers always have weird things happening to them. One day the water freezes, the next day they get a bloody nose during class, the next day some other random uncontrollable thing. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| whiteshoes wrote: |
| Has problems- this is one of the more interesting things I've heard. But many of my Korean friends have told me that some native speakers always have weird things happening to them. One day the water freezes, the next day they get a bloody nose during class, the next day some other random uncontrollable thing. |
I think its more the case that foreigners expect the korean teachers to help them when anything goes wrong. |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| whiteshoes wrote: |
| Most Koreans I know would say... |
I thought you actually heard them discussing this?
Well...OP...
What about a link to the site to stop all of this typically cynical speculation about what they would say and we can see what they are saying. |
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whiteshoes
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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I thought you actually heard them discussing this? |
Sure I heard them say it. I've met and talked about all that stuff with four different Korean public school teachers. When you don't actually know their co-teacher, they can be surprisingly frank.
Another thing they said was they hate hiring new teachers. Most of them prefer either women or men married to Korean women. |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:21 am Post subject: |
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| whiteshoes wrote: |
Sure I heard them say it. I've met and talked about all that stuff with four different Korean public school teachers. When you don't actually know their co-teacher, they can be surprisingly frank.
Another thing they said was they hate hiring new teachers. Most of them prefer either women or men married to Korean women. |
Thanks for clarification. Your cynicism made it difficult to sort the facts. That and this sentence...
| whiteshoes wrote: |
| Most Koreans I know would say a good teacher is the following: |
...is not really a segue to fact.
Still want to read it for myself without the commentary. OP? (I suspect it will never come).  |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| I'll try to get it on Monday. It's the weekend man! |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| languistic wrote: |
Still want to read it for myself without the commentary. OP? (I suspect it will never come). |
Although you were a bit rude in the way you asked (ever hear of the word PLEASE?) here is the site anyway. Ask and ye shall receive.
It is a daum cafe. But apparently you might need some kind of membership account to access the forums. My Korean is not good enough to navigate the site. Feel free to have a go.
http://cafe.daum.net/junyo?t__nil_cafemy=item
Or if that link doesn't work it is called: 영어회화전문강사 협의회 |
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Cerulean
Joined: 19 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| whiteshoes wrote: |
Most Koreans I know would say a good teacher is the following:
Kind- for example, if a student comes up to them in the hall way and says, "hu-ah-ee" the teacher will say, "hello!" in a friendly tone back.
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I was under the impression that students must say hello when passing any teacher. For me, it's in English. I used to reply all the time but I came to realize that my co-t's don't say hello back to them. I respond these days when I feel it's appropriate.
Interesting to hear that some think me not responding may be rude or not kind. I seem to have misunderstood. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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If a student says hello to you, of course you should say hello back. Or at least acknowledge the greeting with a wave or a nod of the head.
And @languastic - I am anxiously awaiting some translations of some interesting threads you find on the site. If you don't mind, try to keep a balanced mix by including positive and negative comments. |
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Andyc24_uk
Joined: 21 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Wow - I'm kinda surprised that anyone wouldn't say hello back to a kid if they make the effort to speak to you. The whole point of them learning English is supposedly that they use it when coming into contact with foreigners - and it's just basic politeness, really! If you were teaching back home, would you blank a kid who said 'hello' to you? If you were in an office anywhere and a co-worker (even a very junior one) greeted you, would you ignore them? I would hope not...
Plus - and this is perhaps the most important thing - it'll make them like you more. Which is going to be a big bonus next time they're sat in your class, deciding whether to do the work or mess around talking in Korean to their friends...
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@Cerulean - Sorry, having re-read this, it wasn't intended as a dig at you. I'm sure you're a great teacher - I guess I just assumed that all teachers would reply to students in a similar way. No offence intended. |
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whiteshoes
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Andyc24_uk wrote: |
| Wow - I'm kinda surprised that anyone wouldn't say hello back to a kid if they make the effort to speak to you. The whole point of them learning English is supposedly that they use it when coming into contact with foreigners - and it's just basic politeness, really! If you were teaching back home, would you blank a kid who said 'hello' to you? If you were in an office anywhere and a co-worker (even a very junior one) greeted you, would you ignore them? I would hope not... |
Oh, I've heard public school teachers tell me, "My job is to teach in the classroom. If I'm not in class, I'm not talking to them." |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Quit hijacking my thread ya'll!
Just say hi. It is the right/nice thing to do.
I'm still waiting for languastic to investigate the Korean board and tell us all the things they say about NETs. Where's the dirt?! |
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