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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
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 Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:34 am Post subject: How does one go about defending Korea from bad teachers? |
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thegadfly
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| I don't even know how to defend my home country from bad teachers, so I am curious as to how folks will respond.... |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| Also is the North included? |
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Caffeinated
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| Does this include defending Korea from bad Korean teachers as well? |
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Bibbitybop
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Does this include defending Korea from bad Korean teachers as well? |
Imprison teachers that sexually abuse children. If you are a Korean teacher, mostly likely you will pay a fine and be transferred to a different school. We don't know what happens to foreign teachers in Korea. Can anyone find a case where a foreign teacher was found guilty of this? |
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sluggo832004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| what qualifies as a bad teacher? |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:04 am Post subject: |
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SimonParks knows 
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| what qualifies as a bad teacher? |
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cragesmure
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| It's a location. Just south of Seoul, I think... |
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ESL Milk "Everyday
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Stop being a non-Korean, and encourage other non-Koreans to follow your example.
Simon Park is a stupid idiot troll who accuses NETs of being criminals out of racism and ignorance. |
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DorkothyParker
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Location: Jeju
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| Karate? |
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Illysook
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| Throw all the babies out with their bathwater and outlaw things like marriage, sex, and children, then you can get rid of all the teachers getting rid of that pesky problem of determining good from bad. |
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sigmundsmith
Joined: 22 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| Caffeinated wrote: |
| Does this include defending Korea from bad Korean teachers as well? |
Imprison teachers that sexually abuse children. If you are a Korean teacher, mostly likely you will pay a fine and be transferred to a different school. We don't know what happens to foreign teachers in Korea. Can anyone find a case where a foreign teacher was found guilty of this? |
This statement is so true.
When I was still working for SMOE as an elementary English teacher I was invited to a meeting with the company that was altering (they didnt change it too much) the third and fourth grade English books. And this was one of the questions that was asked to me. How do we keep the bad teachers out? And I asked about the Korean teachers who are not up to par, what does Korea do about them? I didn't wait for a response as I stated that for some reason Korea (Korean mothers) seem to think that 23 year old (circa) from Kalifornia with blonde hair and blue eyes are the best English teachers. So I stated that maybe Korea needs to look at what is and makes a good English teacher?
Their response? We should start hiring certified teachers. I was quite blunt. Certified teachers do not stay here. Of course some do. But with what I have seen most leave very quickly after one year. So continuity does not last with those types of teachers.
I proposed that maybe there should be some security with the position as the people that they most likely employ are transient (meaning, only here for a short time) and they should be looking at people who will stay for a longer period of time.
Unfortunately, this has fallen on deaf ears. And what has been thrown around this board is that SMOE/GEPIK are not employing people with more than 2 of 3 years experience as they would have to pay the top range in salary. Imagine if they viewed general education in this way.
So, we can only understand that Korea does not view the acquisition of a second language as important. We can make that assumption by their approach and their attitude.
Anyway, we are in a country which is obtuse as to equating what constitutes a good English teacher. But the problem is that they continue to bring over FOB/FOJ children who just what to party and have a good time (not all but many) without really pursuing an improvement in our learners education.
Therefore, to ask this question is mute. Because they don't ask this question of Korea elementary, middle, high or tertiary professionals. They don't stigmatize all elementary teachers when one feels up a 6 grade student. They just move them along without much notice in the media. They try to keep it hush hush when a middle school teacher has sexual intercourse with a middle school student.
If this happened (and the thing is as far as I know there is no record of this happening between a NET and Korean student) the whole population is brought under scrutiny. But it is not reciprocal. This is so conservative in nature.
Sorry for getting on the high horse. But to answer your question - this is so hard. A good teacher by Korean standards varies so dramatically - does what they are told, happy getting paid late, works extra hours for nothing etc. And some of the points from the rest of the above.
My belief? My employment world and my market is my classroom. Not my students mothers or the director or the bosses. I try to enrich and entice my students to communicate using many proven SLL theories. If the powers that be refute this then they are the ones that mistaken and they will most likely perpetuate Korea's pitiful approach to second language acquisition |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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What do you mean by "bad teacher"? One who is a physical danger to children or one who is ineffective as an educator? I feel like you are asking about how to keep out ineffective educators.
Well here is a start: Require all ESL teachers to have either a degree or advanced degree in education or a TESL certificate. The ones that are already here should be required to get theirs within the end of the year. Otherwise their E2 will not be renewed in 2012. Additionally, require a certain number of "professional development" hours every year. (maybe not as many as certified teachers.) This idea is for PS Teachers only as it would be hard to regulate in the hagwon business.
So by doing these two things, you are getting only teachers who have at least gotten their feet wet and are familiar with English language learning theory. And you are placing the same standard of continued development that certified teachers must follow.
Stop hiring kids straight out of university with no experience working with children and who have no idea what they are doing. Hardly a ground breaking idea, but it seems pretty obvious to me. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| Defend Korea? the whole question is strange. |
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murmanjake
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Karate? |
Taekwondo.
Obviously you've never been over-zealously kicked in the groin by an over-eager kindergartener in his taekwondo outfit.
Another proper answer would be, "due diligence."
Applies to employers and employees alike. |
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