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dyc



Joined: 16 Dec 2010
Location: Vancouver

PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:08 pm    Post subject: Teaching abroad -> career building? Reply with quote

Hey all. I've just got a few general questions regarding the long-term benefits of teaching English abroad.

So I was wondering how teaching abroad would contribute to someone's "career building" experience. What I mean is, if I wanted to be a teacher (ESL or otherwise) back home, would some years teaching abroad count for anything at all?

If so, do you think an EPIK/GEPIK public school job would be that much better than a hagwon job in this regard (i.e. counted as "real" teaching experience)?


Also, how transferable is experience abroad from country to country? What I mean is, if I taught in Korea for a year or two and then wanted to go to Taiwan or Japan, would my experience count for much?


Thanks!
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Riker



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, international experience is always a plus. Language skills are an even better asset. If you choose to learn Korean it would be a major plus to any job interest in Asia at least.
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silkhighway



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching abroad -> career building? Reply with quote

dyc wrote:
Hey all. I've just got a few general questions regarding the long-term benefits of teaching English abroad.

So I was wondering how teaching abroad would contribute to someone's "career building" experience. What I mean is, if I wanted to be a teacher (ESL or otherwise) back home, would some years teaching abroad count for anything at all?


Speaking for the case of Canada, a year or two will help you get into a teachers college but probably won't help you get a public school job too much. The system in most provinces is based on seniority, waiting lists, and making the right connections (supply teaching in schools that are hiring + nepotism).

If you have a CELTA or Masters in TESOL, you could return and teach ESL, or privately tutor, and your overseas teaching experience will be an asset.


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If so, do you think an EPIK/GEPIK public school job would be that much better than a hagwon job in this regard (i.e. counted as "real" teaching experience)?


I personally don't think it matters, but some will argue otherwise. If you have an idea if long-term you want to teach children, youth, or adults, that would matter more than the institution.


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Also, how transferable is experience abroad from country to country? What I mean is, if I taught in Korea for a year or two and then wanted to go to Taiwan or Japan, would my experience count for much?


It will help. Of the three countries Korea is the country where ESL/EFL is most in demand though.


A year or two abroad definitely does not hurt, but it's all diminishing returns after that. My advice is don't get caught in the trap that learning Korean or the soft skills you develop living in a foreign country are making you more employable and use that as a justification to stay in Korea for years and years. Those skills probably won't help you that much if at all, and they do not substitute for actual time building a career.
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loose_ends



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking from experience:

I taught in Korea for 5 years (2003-2008). When I returned from Canada this experience helped me get into a good B.Ed. program. 5 years of classroom experience also put me ahead of my peers in the program. Nothing can build a good teacher's presence except experience. I did well in the program and especially well on my practicum. I landed a teaching job when I graduated and my 5 years experience definitely helped.

On the flipside, those who went in the B.Ed program in 2003 (when I could have) now make 10 000 bucks more than me and have cushy continuing contracts.
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silkhighway



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

loose_ends wrote:
Speaking from experience:

I taught in Korea for 5 years (2003-2008). When I returned from Canada this experience helped me get into a good B.Ed. program. 5 years of classroom experience also put me ahead of my peers in the program. Nothing can build a good teacher's presence except experience. I did well in the program and especially well on my practicum. I landed a teaching job when I graduated and my 5 years experience definitely helped.



That's very encouraging. Do you mind sharing some specifics of your situation?
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methdxman



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching abroad -> career building? Reply with quote

dyc wrote:
Hey all. I've just got a few general questions regarding the long-term benefits of teaching English abroad.

So I was wondering how teaching abroad would contribute to someone's "career building" experience. What I mean is, if I wanted to be a teacher (ESL or otherwise) back home, would some years teaching abroad count for anything at all?

If so, do you think an EPIK/GEPIK public school job would be that much better than a hagwon job in this regard (i.e. counted as "real" teaching experience)?


Also, how transferable is experience abroad from country to country? What I mean is, if I taught in Korea for a year or two and then wanted to go to Taiwan or Japan, would my experience count for much?


Thanks!



In general you can spin your work experience anyway you want. You just need a good, coherent story during your interviews.

Of course certain experiences get your foot in the door and some don't interest people as much but it's all about how you spin it and make your resume work. Teaching abroad is a great story to tell no matter what. It'll give you plenty of interview material.
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Skyblue



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It totally depends on what career you want back home ...
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jrwhite82



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with the above posters.

While you are here, do your best to learn the language. One can argue that a language like Korean where only 50 or 60 million people is not worth studying. But that also gives you an advantage, because not many other people know it. So you can spin it to help market yourself (especially in Korean communities back home).

If your long term plan is to teach back in your home country, it is not a bad way to spend a year or two. From my experience, having to take out a loan to cover you while doing your student teaching experience sucks. I'm glad I came here first and saved some money to cover that expense.

If you don't want to do anything education related, it's probably best to find gainful employment somewhere else. If you want to just come here and experience the culture and party it up, that's fine too, but there are probably better choices out there to build your resume.

I'm not sure if teaching abroad will count towards bumping you up a paygrade or two. A public school job, international school or DOD school perhaps. But I highly doubt you'd get any credit for a hagwon.

I also think it is a great thing to talk about in an interview that will set you apart from other candidates. The more the US Secretary of Education talks about how great Korean schools are (correct or not), the better for us. It would be nice to tell a principal something interesting you learned in Korea that you could use in his school to help improve student performance. I'm still searching for a great answer to that question myself....
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Skyblue



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrwhite82 wrote:
It would be nice to tell a principal something interesting you learned in Korea that you could use in his school to help improve student performance. I'm still searching for a great answer to that question myself....

Sounds like a good discussion topic ...
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thekingofcheap



Joined: 09 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skyblue wrote:
jrwhite82 wrote:
It would be nice to tell a principal something interesting you learned in Korea that you could use in his school to help improve student performance. I'm still searching for a great answer to that question myself....

Sounds like a good discussion topic ...


If I've learned anything from my experience here, it's that more homework solves everything.

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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching abroad -> career building? Reply with quote

dyc wrote:
Hey all. I've just got a few general questions regarding the long-term benefits of teaching English abroad.

So I was wondering how teaching abroad would contribute to someone's "career building" experience. What I mean is, if I wanted to be a teacher (ESL or otherwise) back home, would some years teaching abroad count for anything at all?

If so, do you think an EPIK/GEPIK public school job would be that much better than a hagwon job in this regard (i.e. counted as "real" teaching experience)?


Also, how transferable is experience abroad from country to country? What I mean is, if I taught in Korea for a year or two and then wanted to go to Taiwan or Japan, would my experience count for much?


Thanks!


There are a number of options open to you after working abroad:

1) get further qualifications and make a career out of ESL. It can be lucrative in the long run and is certainly, long term, a stable career path (employers may change but jobs abound and it is a growth industry-globally).

2) It won't hurt and may help if you want to return home and get qualified as a teacher. It will certainly help get you into a teachers (B.Ed/PGCE/PGDE) program (shows you have the aptitude and ability).

3) if you want to move into the corporate world, the soft skills certainly translate to new positions in HR (you certainly develop people skills), corporate training, marketing (not necessarily sales), and mid level management (adaptability and coping skills) or corporate management training programs.

It is not a dead horse but it is not necessarily directly related to returning home (sort of like a liberal arts degree - general specialist / jack of all trades).

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olsanairbase



Joined: 30 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching abroad -> career building? Reply with quote

dyc wrote:
Hey all. I've just got a few general questions regarding the long-term benefits of teaching English abroad.

So I was wondering how teaching abroad would contribute to someone's "career building" experience. What I mean is, if I wanted to be a teacher (ESL or otherwise) back home, would some years teaching abroad count for anything at all?

If so, do you think an EPIK/GEPIK public school job would be that much better than a hagwon job in this regard (i.e. counted as "real" teaching experience)?


Also, how transferable is experience abroad from country to country? What I mean is, if I taught in Korea for a year or two and then wanted to go to Taiwan or Japan, would my experience count for much?


Thanks!



What I mean is, if I wanted to be a teacher (ESL or otherwise) back home, would some years teaching abroad count for anything at all?


I don't think the people above got the meaning of your question. In the States and on base schools with the DODEA there is a salary scale that is used. You can move up in salary based on years of service and level of education.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CB4QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nctq.org%2Fdocs%2F11-09.pdf&ei=btBATZ77A4GClAefgJmdAw&usg=AFQjCNFBUKDTuS9jdsaeBy9Wmr8VnbYKew

Sadly, you won't get any credit at all on this salary scale for teaching English at a Korean public school or a private institute. So every year you teach abroad you have to figure will be a year you could have been moving up on the public school teaching salary scale back at home. On the flip side of that you have to ask yourself how many teachers back at home have really had an opportunity to live let alone travel abroad.

If you want credit for your years of service then a better way to do it is work for the DODEA base schools. Then you work abroad and still get credit for all your years of service. I personally lost a bunch of years I could have had on the salary scale by doing non-DODEA EFL jobs in Korea before I realized they would count for nothing on the scale.
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lonestarteacher



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:59 pm    Post subject: Experience Reply with quote

If nothing else it would be experience and schools that I have spoken with and done some of their scouting for look for variety in experiences such as Peace Corp or teaching abroad in say South Korea or the metro of New York or Houston. Lots of different applications of one profession. There is nothing to say that one teaching experience is less valuable than the other, but some would like to make the argument.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Teaching abroad -> career building? Reply with quote

olsanairbase wrote:

Sadly, you won't get any credit at all on this salary scale for teaching English at a Korean public school or a private institute. So every year you teach abroad you have to figure will be a year you could have been moving up on the public school teaching salary scale back at home.


Not necessarily.

Like many things in US education, this varies from district to district. When I was applying for teaching jobs in the US after 5 years of teaching here, I was offered jobs by districts that were willing to give me credit on their salary scales for all five years (as long as I provided documentation), or 1/2 credit (this appeared to be at the whim of the superintendent, it was a small town).
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olsanairbase



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Teaching abroad -> career building? Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
olsanairbase wrote:

Sadly, you won't get any credit at all on this salary scale for teaching English at a Korean public school or a private institute. So every year you teach abroad you have to figure will be a year you could have been moving up on the public school teaching salary scale back at home.


Not necessarily.

Like many things in US education, this varies from district to district. When I was applying for teaching jobs in the US after 5 years of teaching here, I was offered jobs by districts that were willing to give me credit on their salary scales for all five years (as long as I provided documentation), or 1/2 credit (this appeared to be at the whim of the superintendent, it was a small town).


There is always an exception to any rule. However, the OP is calling for a general rule relating to whether he will get credit for time worked in Korea back in public schools in the US. Is it possible that he might go to work for that same one school district where the superintendent is willing to bend rules for years of service--maybe, but more likely not. And then what if he wants to change schools and then he needs to get those years transferred over for their scale and he loses them then? I think its better he know the vast majority of districts will NOT be granting him credit for those years then he find that after the fact.
I think the kid deserves to know that 99% of the cases he is not getting credit for those years, because most districts require those years to be at school accredited in the states. Besides the DODEA he could also work for one of the recognized overseas schools (not one of the pseudo international schools). Search Associates (http://www.search-associates.com/main.html) is the main recruiter for these teaching positions and most are accredited and the years worked are for the most part transferable.
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