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hondaicivic



Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: Daegu, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:44 am    Post subject: Retiring in South America.... Reply with quote

So anyway I was watching Anthony Bourdain No Reservation on South American countries yesterday and I have realized that South America is where I want to move to and spend the rest of my life there (maybe finding a local girl there as well). Compared to Europe/North America/Asia, South America is like the best to go. Laid back culture, a lot of natural beauty, great weather, good looking girls. Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Brazil are on top of my list. What do you guys think? Good idea?



North America - the US is swimming with debt and is on the road to economic collapse soon and will take the entire North American region down with it.

Europe - Also swimming with debt, and within 10 years, it will become the Islamic Republic of Europe

Asia(Korea/China/Japan) - I don't want to live the rest of my life in the confucian culture. My chances of committing suicide will increase exponentially the longer I'm there.
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wiganer



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My old lady is South American, there isn't that 'stigma' (for want of a better word) for Asian fellas and dating. You read a lot about how hard it is for an Asian guy to date white women in the United States but you will have nooooooooooo problem in South America.

In Peru and Brazil, there are a lot of Japanese there and in Peru a lot of Chinese - I think 1.3 million Peruvians have some Chinese blood but quite a few experts have it at 1/5 of the population.

Europe will never become Islamic - except for the parts that are already. Confused That and they wouldn't let you in anyway.
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Radius



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how old are you civic?
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Vagabundo



Joined: 26 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:59 am    Post subject: Re: Retiring in South America.... Reply with quote

hondaicivic wrote:
So anyway I was watching Anthony Bourdain No Reservation on South American countries yesterday and I have realized that South America is where I want to move to and spend the rest of my life there (maybe finding a local girl there as well). Compared to Europe/North America/Asia, South America is like the best to go. Laid back culture, a lot of natural beauty, great weather, good looking girls. Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Brazil are on top of my list. What do you guys think? Good idea?



North America - the US is swimming with debt and is on the road to economic collapse soon and will take the entire North American region down with it.

Europe - Also swimming with debt, and within 10 years, it will become the Islamic Republic of Europe

Asia(Korea/China/Japan) - I don't want to live the rest of my life in the confucian culture. My chances of committing suicide will increase exponentially the longer I'm there.


fantastic idea but here is the rub.
Have you won the lottery?

where will your income stream come from?

making decent money in South America is extraordinarily difficult.

but if you can do it, or can figure out a USD based income stream, then the entire continent is your oyster (though I'm not big on your choices, other than Brazil)

I completely agree with you about the link between Confucianism and suicide, but NE Asia isn't "Asia". Thailand is completely different, much less Indonesia.

you won't find hotter women than Latin women and if you choose correctly you won't find a better wife either and the culture is phenomenal. Completely parallel to European/American with some small exceptions but they work to live, instead of living to work.

and, for a guy, your age won't matter either.

You can be a fit guy in your 40's and few will blink if your gf/wife is in her mid to upper twenties. The rule of male age divided by 2 plus 7 for female age is kept far more consistently there then anywhere else, and it'll go lower that this formula.
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wiganer



Joined: 13 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: Retiring in South America.... Reply with quote

Vagabundo wrote:
hondaicivic wrote:
So anyway I was watching Anthony Bourdain No Reservation on South American countries yesterday and I have realized that South America is where I want to move to and spend the rest of my life there (maybe finding a local girl there as well). Compared to Europe/North America/Asia, South America is like the best to go. Laid back culture, a lot of natural beauty, great weather, good looking girls. Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Brazil are on top of my list. What do you guys think? Good idea?



North America - the US is swimming with debt and is on the road to economic collapse soon and will take the entire North American region down with it.

Europe - Also swimming with debt, and within 10 years, it will become the Islamic Republic of Europe

Asia(Korea/China/Japan) - I don't want to live the rest of my life in the confucian culture. My chances of committing suicide will increase exponentially the longer I'm there.


fantastic idea but here is the rub.
Have you won the lottery?

where will your income stream come from?

making decent money in South America is extraordinarily difficult.

but if you can do it, or can figure out a USD based income stream, then the entire continent is your oyster (though I'm not big on your choices, other than Brazil)

I completely agree with you about the link between Confucianism and suicide, but NE Asia isn't "Asia". Thailand is completely different, much less Indonesia.

you won't find hotter women than Latin women and if you choose correctly you won't find a better wife either and the culture is phenomenal. Completely parallel to European/American with some small exceptions but they work to live, instead of living to work.

and, for a guy, your age won't matter either.

You can be a fit guy in your 40's and few will blink if your gf/wife is in her mid to upper twenties. The rule of male age divided by 2 plus 7 for female age is kept far more consistently there then anywhere else, and it'll go lower that this formula.


I know you are a chap who knows South America. Where would you say is a good place to settle? I would have thought Argentina would be a good choice?

As for Brazil, it is the only country in the BRIC with excellent future prospects. Once they sort everything out, it will be a place that will attract the cream of immigrants from all over the world. The only problem with Russia, India and China becoming first world superpowers is that the cream of the crop from around the world wouldn't flock there like they would to Brazil.

NB: Sorry Vagabundo - HC never mentioned Argentina did he? Embarassed
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wiganer



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.aznlover.com/community/showthread.php/12932-A-South-American-Perspective-on-Asian-Men-Peru-Bolivia-Brazil-Argentina?s=604e034ed5f68efa15314861fd646ffd


http://www.aznlover.com/community/showthread.php/10684-Asian-Dragons-and-Andean-Condors-Part-1-A-Perspective-of-Asian-Men-in-Latin-Americ
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hondaicivic



Joined: 01 Jul 2010
Location: Daegu, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey thanks for the input guys!

@Wiganer: lol I could less about that whole stigma crap about asian guys dating non-asian girls in the US....beside I had no problem dating girls back in Cali. It's all about confidence and how you carry yourself. Race doesn't matter, well at least in Cali. Yea I know about the east asian populations in those countries, it's crazy! I'm beginning to think the Chinese might have discovered the Americas before Columbus did.

@Radius: I'm 23, yea yea I know...I'm still young. I was just thinking ahead, nothing wrong with planning your future.

@Vagabundo: I'm thinking about 4 years here in Korea, couple of years in the middle east, save enough money and open up a small business somewhere in those south american countries. Brazil offers permanent residency visa for people who invested $50,000 in the country I just found out.
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northway



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hondaicivic wrote:
I'm beginning to think the Chinese might have discovered the Americas before Columbus did.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Menzies#1421:_The_Year_China_Discovered_the_World
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earthquakez



Joined: 10 Nov 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your plan in itself sounds good. Just keep in mind that South American countries are incredibly corrupt (including Brazil), the military are a defacto police force in most of them, and the police are generally regarded as security guards who act for certain interests rather than public law enforcers.

Uruguay sounds like one of the better places to retire in (better law and order etc) but would most of us be happy with the lifestyle there? Don't know. Costa Rica's selling point is that it has no standing army but that makes it vulnerable to takeovers from other countries' military, special interests, law unto themselves corporatists.

And be aware of the laws regarding property ownership etc. A whole lot of Brits and other non Portugese/non Spanish have discovered to their huge loss that they don't actually own the land on which their holiday homes stand.

You can buy property in Portugal and Spain but it's entirely up to you to not only do the homework but to also ensure you are not being cheated through information withheld. Foreigners there have even employed lawyers recommended through official channels only to find that they have been stiffed out of their land and property because there were local loopholes by which the local govts can tell you no, you don't own this.

In more exploitative South America it could turn out worse. Factor in a generous budget for honest lawyers etc.
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dongjak



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mom spends a month in Ecuador every year at some dirty hippie retreat, she loves it. There was a newspaper article a while back explaining why some city in Ecuador (I forget which one) is the number one place for Americans to retire internationally.
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wiganer



Joined: 13 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.argenprop.com/Propiedades/Detalles/2712107--Fondo-de-comercio-en-Venta-en-Capital-Federal?hb=1

36,000 (USD) Will buy this little shop in Palermo! That is one of the nicest parts of Buenos Aires. Foreigners are allowed to buy property and land in Argentina.

Save money, learn Spanish (or Portuguese if you are going to Brazil) and go there with your money. Lots of FOB Asians have made their fortunes in South America such as the Wong family who created Peru's biggest supermarket dynasty. I am sure an American, Canadian or European could do the same.
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wiganer



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

90,000 (USD) Will get you a nice looking bar/restaurant in Villa Crespo, Buenos Aires.

http://www.argenprop.com/Propiedades/Detalles/2563764--Fondo-de-comercio-en-Venta-en-Capital-Federal?hb=1

http://www.argenprop.com/Propiedades/Detalles/2458369--Fondo-de-comercio-en-Venta-en-Capital-Federal?hb=1
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Vagabundo



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dongjak wrote:
My mom spends a month in Ecuador every year at some dirty hippie retreat, she loves it. There was a newspaper article a while back explaining why some city in Ecuador (I forget which one) is the number one place for Americans to retire internationally.


Cuenca.
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Vagabundo



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

personal preferences in which country one would prefer will vary with individuals.

I'd say Brazil would be at the top of my list, because the future prospects of this country are fantastic. (and there are other reasons ; )

However, even in currently stable Brazil, you have to deal with problems which remain endemic to the region.

Inherent political instability, very high income disparities which contribute to and breed high crime and of course corruption.

I doubt myself as an entreprenour, because I usually can't believe people buy the crap they buy and what they're willing to pay for it Smile

but if you could swing it, I'd highly encourage it!

not many Chinese in Brazil, but there's a large concentration of Japanese especially around Sao Paulo. You'll see some stunning Japanese-Brazilian mixes, etc.

the Argentinian advantage is that currently you'd probably be buying "low", as the currency remains depressed, and the economy is bad, worse yet though political instability and class/income divisions could still bubble over in the society.
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methdxman



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 3:02 am    Post subject: Re: Retiring in South America.... Reply with quote

hondaicivic wrote:
So anyway I was watching Anthony Bourdain No Reservation on South American countries yesterday and I have realized that South America is where I want to move to and spend the rest of my life there (maybe finding a local girl there as well). Compared to Europe/North America/Asia, South America is like the best to go. Laid back culture, a lot of natural beauty, great weather, good looking girls. Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Brazil are on top of my list. What do you guys think? Good idea?



North America - the US is swimming with debt and is on the road to economic collapse soon and will take the entire North American region down with it.

Europe - Also swimming with debt, and within 10 years, it will become the Islamic Republic of Europe

Asia(Korea/China/Japan) - I don't want to live the rest of my life in the confucian culture. My chances of committing suicide will increase exponentially the longer I'm there.


I still think about settling long-term in Latin America. I was actually about to before I got a job opportunity here. Sigh... such divergent paths. Anyway.

I think the top places right now are Peru, Colombia, Chile, Brazil, Uruguay and Panama (in no order). It's a bit of an exaggeration but people are calling Lima the next Dubai. Hah.

Latin America is growing steadily GDP wise, but don't believe all the hype yet. Latin America has many, many hurdles to overcome. I think Asia has a much more compelling growth story. I'm actually quite pessimistic about Latin America because of the political instability and because of the s-load of oil reserves sitting in Venezuela.
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