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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:27 am    Post subject: Are these Korean whales? Reply with quote

Whales swim gracefully off the East Sea coast.
(This is the text under the following picture.)


http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200404/200404250020.html
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Zed



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They seem to have a blurry distiction between whales and dolphins here. I couldn't convince my kids that Free Willy was a whale in English and not a dolphin. I know. Killer Whales are genetically very close to dolphins. In Korean the word dolphin is the same as the word for whale with a prefix "dol~" attached to it.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The picture is NOT of whales. Maybe koreans think so....
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all cetacea... there are smaller beaked and bottlenosed whales, but those look like porpoises.

I think that in the world of Korean newspaper gaffes this one is pretty tiny. I suspect that if they had written 'porpoises' instead of whales some English teacher would be posting here asking why they didn't write 'dolphins'.
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Toby



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to work for one.... Wink
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, guys, dolphins ARE whales according to any oceanographer, so yes... it's a picture of whales, one kind of toothed whale. (The real blurry distinction in science is in defining what kind of whale some species are --- and a shark is NOT a whale, even the so-called "whale shark", it's a cold-blooded, gilled fish not a milk-producing, air breathing mammal.)

In English we just usually specify the sub-type of whale it is if it's a dolphin, probably because of the warm fuzzy image of them often promoted in the culture.

I grew up on the Northern coast of Vancouver Island around grey whales, humpback whales, dolphins, and...

Orca, so-called 'killer whales' - they could just as well have been nicknamed 'killer dophins' given their anatomy- a somewhat undeserved reputation, since resident populations are not killers of mammals, transients are (there are genetic differences between them, but not visually obvious differences). The term "killer whale" came from centuries ago when European whalers found out that chased or injured orca fight back. People in the Canadian province of Newfoundland on the east coast also call orca "swordfish" for that reason.

What always irks me is when many English people (including NFL Miami fans) call dolphins "fish", which they most certainly are not!

So, there's nothing inferior about the Korean terms of expression. Given a lack of more specific information about the sub-species, the newspaper photo's caption text was dead-on with its description.

Not IMO. As a matter of fact.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meat is meat and man's gotta eat!
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Toby



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maxxx_power wrote:
Meat is meat and man's gotta eat!


You ever eaten whale?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby wrote:
maxxx_power wrote:
Meat is meat and man's gotta eat!


You ever eaten whale?


Not yet, I'm not Canadian.

Maybe a little dolphin in my tuna though.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maxxx_power wrote:
Toby wrote:
maxxx_power wrote:
Meat is meat and man's gotta eat!


You ever eaten whale?


Not yet, I'm not Canadian.

Maybe a little dolphin in my tuna though.


Mmm. Waiter. Can I have a steak from your finest tuna with just a hint of dolphin please? Very Happy Very Happy
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waggo



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw some swim alongside the "Fukuoka-Busan sea cat" a couple of weeks ago.It was funny because they were jumping out of the water whilst the Korean ajossis were standing at the bar drinlking beer and stuffing their faces with nuts completely oblivious to them.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dolphin is delicious.
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komtengi



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maxxx_power wrote:
Toby wrote:
maxxx_power wrote:
Meat is meat and man's gotta eat!


You ever eaten whale?


Not yet, I'm not Canadian.

Maybe a little dolphin in my tuna though.


you can try some next time you make it to pusan
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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2004 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The statement is shocking and outrageous to many on the face of it:

Bulsajo wrote:
Dolphin is delicious.

Ha, ha. The mai mai fish you link is otherwise known as the "dolphinfish" even though it's not at all like a dolphin in it's basic physiology.

Few people actually praise eating dolphin because they are so much loved. Other kinds of whales often don't inspire the same feeling as Flipper. There are many out there who aren't against whaling in general but are against the targeted harvesting of dolphins.

That's why I speculate there's seen to be such an important division in everyday English between the idea of "dolphin" and "whale".

Koreans understand correctly that dolphins are whales because they don't make any cultural differences between the two, especially in terms of seafood.

I, for one, am against all large-scale commercial whaling,and don't want to see the very adept Japanese return to their old habit of slaughtering them by the thousands.

That's one culinary taste I hope the Koreans don't adopt from the Japanese.
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captain kirk



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2004 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Following up what waggo says about Koreans on the ferry being 'completely oblvious' to whales jumping stuffing themselves with snacks there are no whale tours in Ulsan due to 'lack of interest'. I've asked the students and though there are whales which pass on their migration there are no small boat whale watching tours the like of those off Victoria, Canada. Ulsan is only a million people. If it was bigger perhaps there'd be interest, they said. But maybe it's the general lack of interest in wild creatures compared to that of people in North America. The boss said, laughing, that Koreans are too busy making money to bob in a boat looking at whales.
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