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MoonArisa
Joined: 13 Jan 2011
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 Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:04 am Post subject: Very random question... |
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... of perhaps no use at all, and yet still a curiosity.
I've been seeing so many different ways of spelling private schools in Korea, I was wondering if there's a "correct" romanization of it at all?
Some I've seen include Hagwon, Hakwon and many other derivatives.
Apologies if the post is misplaced (i.e. wrong forum). |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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| Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Well It's so UNrandom it should probably leave the off-topic.
Here's an example of a random question:
Why is got hfea clao vnba? pl0- |
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Jake_Kim
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Location: Seoul
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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while we're on the subject,
why do some people insist on spelling (using Busan as an example) it 'Pusan' when the majority of people (around 97 percent of maps, information etc) spell it 'Busan'. Do they (you/whoever you are) think their way is better or do they just want to be different or is it imperialism (of a certain english) at work again?
And what about trying to read hangul.
Whats a 'pc bong' (for example)? Is it something you smoke while your facebooking your mates back in Texas? Its spelled Buh - ah- ng = bang.
Lose the american accent and pretentiousness - no wonder taxi drivers never understand you... |
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Radius
Joined: 20 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
while we're on the subject,
why do some people insist on spelling (using Busan as an example) it 'Pusan' when the majority of people (around 97 percent of maps, information etc) spell it 'Busan'. Do they (you/whoever you are) think their way is better or do they just want to be different or is it imperialism (of a certain english) at work again?
And what about trying to read hangul.
Whats a 'pc bong' (for example)? Is it something you smoke while your facebooking your mates back in Texas? Its spelled Buh - ah- ng = bang.
Lose the american accent and pretentiousness - no wonder taxi drivers never understand you... |
Do you watch TV here? I've seen it spelled 'Pusan' many times on Korean channels. You need to chill out with the anti-American crap too. You sound like you have an inferiority complex, let alone a douche. |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| Radius wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
while we're on the subject,
why do some people insist on spelling (using Busan as an example) it 'Pusan' when the majority of people (around 97 percent of maps, information etc) spell it 'Busan'. Do they (you/whoever you are) think their way is better or do they just want to be different or is it imperialism (of a certain english) at work again?
And what about trying to read hangul.
Whats a 'pc bong' (for example)? Is it something you smoke while your facebooking your mates back in Texas? Its spelled Buh - ah- ng = bang.
Lose the american accent and pretentiousness - no wonder taxi drivers never understand you... |
Do you watch TV here? I've seen it spelled 'Pusan' many times on Korean channels. You need to chill out with the anti-American crap too. You sound like you have an inferiority complex, let alone a douche. |
It's also used in their most famous international event, the P.I.F.F. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Radius wrote: |
| You sound like you have an inferiority complex, let alone a douche. |
That would mean I have an inferiority complex toward americans. How would that be possible? Your food? Your sports? Your language?
Im not sure what a douche is. I thought it was french for 'shower'? Yes, I have a douche.
And why would I cut the anti american crap out?
It seems very reasonable for americans to post anti- other country sentiment on this forum. I even read a thread a month back that slated british for being dirty and never taking showers. And from what Ive seen in person, americans (well at least white middle class, white amercians anyway) seem to be the most racist of people Ive ever met.
So no, I dont think I will cut it out. |
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sligo
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
| You sound like you have an inferiority complex, let alone a douche. |
That would mean I have an inferiority complex toward americans. How would that be possible? Your food? Your sports? Your language?
Im not sure what a douche is. I thought it was french for 'shower'? Yes, I have a douche.
And why would I cut the anti american crap out?
It seems very reasonable for americans to post anti- other country sentiment on this forum. I even read a thread a month back that slated british for being dirty and never taking showers. And from what Ive seen in person, americans (well at least white middle class, white amercians anyway) seem to be the most racist of people Ive ever met.
So no, I dont think I will cut it out. |
Wrong + Wrong = Right =wrong! Her Majesty is ashamed of you. Stop letting the side down. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| Im not sure what a douche is. I thought it was french for 'shower'? Yes, I have a douche. |
Bravo! I lolled. |
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DorkothyParker
Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| Radius wrote: |
| You sound like you have an inferiority complex, let alone a douche. |
That would mean I have an inferiority complex toward americans. How would that be possible? Your food? Your sports? Your language?
Im not sure what a douche is. I thought it was french for 'shower'? Yes, I have a douche.
And why would I cut the anti american crap out?
It seems very reasonable for americans to post anti- other country sentiment on this forum. I even read a thread a month back that slated british for being dirty and never taking showers. And from what Ive seen in person, americans (well at least white middle class, white amercians anyway) seem to be the most racist of people Ive ever met.
So no, I dont think I will cut it out. |
It totally makes sense to combat prejudice and ethnocentrism with additional prejudice and ethnocentrism. If you're ever drowning, I'll be sure to toss you a glass of water. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| DorkothyParker wrote: |
It totally makes sense to combat prejudice and ethnocentrism with additional prejudice and ethnocentrism. If you're ever drowning, I'll be sure to toss you a glass of water. |
If I was ever drowning, it would be through suicide caused by irritation to the inner ear drum. So please throw me a bucket full.
I come on here, like alot of other people, to vent spleen anonymously. If I ever want to have any kind of a relationship with any americans (in real life) I have to get it out of my system somewhere/how, how much I dislike/hate them so I dont take it out on the wrong people in a social setting when im drunk ('some specific cultures' may not understand that because they think its their god given right to make everyone listen to their drivel/opinions).
Its a bit like going to see a psychiatrist.
So please dont try to disuade me from my anti american sentiment becasue I think its quite a healthy hatred directed toward other anonymous people on daves.
Its nothing personal. |
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DorkothyParker
Joined: 11 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:12 am Post subject: |
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Well, I should think it would make more sense to air specific frustrations about certain individuals or economic policies or fashion trends or whatever it is you are going against.
I certainly don't think it's nice to make broad generalizations about an entire country. It's illogical. If you insist on mocking people based on their geographical location, at least specify it to Alabama or Mississippi or even the Southern region in general.*
(This last bit is a joke intended to be made with a wide-eyed, deeply sincere look. I tell you this because otherwise it might look like unintended hypocrisy).
If you persist with such flailing negativity, I will wholeheartedly support your drowning suicide. You can use my douche. ^^ |
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MoonArisa
Joined: 13 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:45 am Post subject: |
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It would have been logical to look there, wouldn't it... lol.
Thank you for taking the time to copy the links however, it's appreciated.
I suppose it end up being, as you say, just a choice on preference based on loose, ever changing rules. I'll keep that in mind for future (and to avoid confusion) ;P |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
while we're on the subject,
why do some people insist on spelling (using Busan as an example) it 'Pusan' when the majority of people (around 97 percent of maps, information etc) spell it 'Busan'. Do they (you/whoever you are) think their way is better or do they just want to be different or is it imperialism (of a certain english) at work again. |
It's the old Romanization system that they used until relatively recently. A lot of English language sources continue to use this same system. Other examples are Daegu becoming Taegu, Daejeon becoming Taejeon, and Gwangju becoming Kwangju. I don't use these spellings, but I think you're really reaching here. |
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Jake_Kim
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| MoonArisa wrote: |
It would have been logical to look there, wouldn't it... lol.
Thank you for taking the time to copy the links however, it's appreciated.
I suppose it end up being, as you say, just a choice on preference based on loose, ever changing rules. I'll keep that in mind for future (and to avoid confusion) ;P |
The latest rule, RR, was inevitable in a sense, because M-R standard depends on precise usage of apostrophes and diacritics to distinguish different consonants and vowels. Back in the days of M-R, '대전' used to be Taejǒn while '태천' would have been T'aech'ŏn and '태촌' would have been 'T'aech'on.' Diacritic marks are easy to omit especially when you type, and one missing apostrophe gives you a whole different name.
Apparently, those consonant pairs which a native Korean would never confuse sound pretty much the same to those of European languages, making the chance of misspelling consonants even higher. Therefore, by switching all T' to simple T, T to D, P to B, P' to P, K to G etc., the RR can force non-Koreans to recognize the difference at the cost of the accuracy of acoustic value.
The ever-inconsistent property of spelling vowels in English gives Koreans another headache, one example being forever unnatural 'eo' for 'ㅓ' or 'ㅕ'. A dude named '영수' would've written his name Yǒngsu under M-R, but that's easily mistaken for Yongsu (용수). Then there's a nice English word, young, with acceptably similar sound. He goes for it, and so did many Korean people or organizations with full spectrum of different sounds in their names. The family names Choi, Park, and Chung are the ones struggled the most, no one except Germans and Scandinavians can make proper 'ㅚ', and the Parks aren't quite comfortable with 'Pak' which becomes a pack, or 'Bak' that becomes 'back', and definitely not 'Bark.' Some adopted '-ah' but that didn't pan out either. See where this is going?
Though ugly it might be, at least RR proposed a uniform way of streamlining Korean transliterations. But then, there's the issue of continuity that kicks you in the butt. Roadsigns can be replaced, but changing a person's surname on passport creates a new set of problems - especially for males.
All that is exactly why there doesn't seem to be a coherent rule with romanization. RR is no way perfect, but it is the least objectionable alternative to old-fashioned M-R after several compromises, as far as it can be used consistently into the future. |
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