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lorenchristopher
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 Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:29 pm Post subject: New Rule: E-2 visa holders can add employers w/o permission? |
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I've been in Korea on the same E-2 visa for three years and just renewed for my fourth year. I got this in the mail yesterday and am a little confused because it says I am allowed to "...add an employer without current advance permission but with report." Uhhhhm, say what?!?
Here is a photo of the full letter (without my personal info), at the top it states that my visa status is now E-2-1. Anyone familiar with this at all?
Page 1: http://img155.imageshack.us/i/photonz.jpg/
Page 2: http://img227.imageshack.us/i/photo2sjx.jpg/
Thanks for your input!!
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Stalin84
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| My new Visa says E-2-1 too. I just thought it meant that it was a normal E2. Maybe us long timers get more options now? |
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lorenchristopher
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Stalin84 wrote: |
| My new Visa says E-2-1 too. I just thought it meant that it was a normal E2. Maybe us long timers get more options now? |
That's what I was wondering. It's strange that it says you can add an additional employer "without permission". Does that mean (as I'm interpreting it) even if your original/current employer does not allow you to work at another school, you can do it anyway.....as long as you register it with immi?
*scratches head* |
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Slaps
Joined: 22 Jun 2007
Location: Sitting on top of the world
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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My understanding of it is that you still have to seek permission from your primary employer but no longer have to get prior approval from immi.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. |
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lorenchristopher
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Ok....I just read this on the immigration website.
http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/NtcCotnDetailR_en.pt?newscttSeq=&bbsGbCd=BS10&bbsSeq=2&ntccttSeq=34&cvlapplCd=&userID=&langCd=EN&pollSeq=&locale=en
The wording is kind of strange:
"※ Please note that, in principle, the report has to be made by foreigner's visiting immigration office or branch office, because a sticker or a seal, indicating a change or an addition of the foreigner's employment place, will be affixed or stamped.
□ Documents to be Attached (첨부서류)
ㅇBasic Required Documents (공통서류)
� A copy of employment contract (고용계약서), business registration (사업자 등록증), and a letter of consent on a transfer from the head of former employment place (원 근무처 장의 동의서)
※ Provided, that the letter of consent on a transfer will be exempted from submission on the condition that a foreigner continues working up to the expiry date of the contract term or the agreed date between the foreigner and his employer."
In plain English does this mean, "You don't need consent from your current workplace as long as you fulfill your contract."?
Just below that it states:
"Foreigners who are dismissed due to the reasons caused by themselves or resign before the date of termination of employment contract without the consent on a transfer from their former employers, shall not fall on the eligible category." |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Even if you can add another job on an E2 remember that some people are prohibited from doing so. Public school teachers for example aren't allowed to teach other places. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| lorenchristopher wrote: |
Ok....I just read this on the immigration website.
http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/NtcCotnDetailR_en.pt?newscttSeq=&bbsGbCd=BS10&bbsSeq=2&ntccttSeq=34&cvlapplCd=&userID=&langCd=EN&pollSeq=&locale=en
The wording is kind of strange:
"※ Please note that, in principle, the report has to be made by foreigner's visiting immigration office or branch office, because a sticker or a seal, indicating a change or an addition of the foreigner's employment place, will be affixed or stamped.
□ Documents to be Attached (첨부서류)
ㅇBasic Required Documents (공통서류)
� A copy of employment contract (고용계약서), business registration (사업자 등록증), and a letter of consent on a transfer from the head of former employment place (원 근무처 장의 동의서)
※ Provided, that the letter of consent on a transfer will be exempted from submission on the condition that a foreigner continues working up to the expiry date of the contract term or the agreed date between the foreigner and his employer."
In plain English does this mean, "You don't need consent from your current workplace as long as you fulfill your contract."?
Just below that it states:
"Foreigners who are dismissed due to the reasons caused by themselves or resign before the date of termination of employment contract without the consent on a transfer from their former employers, shall not fall on the eligible category." |
What all this says is that you still need permission from your employer but that the process may be simplified. If you do not complete your contract with your sponsor/employer, those more flexible conditions are null and void. |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| That would be a complete game changer, but it would probably put most English education out of the reach of the lower middle class in Korea because of the jump in wages. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| Could it be that your employer doesn't control your visa anymore? Like Japan? Wow! |
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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Menino80 wrote: |
| That would be a complete game changer, but it would probably put most English education out of the reach of the lower middle class in Korea because of the jump in wages. |
Increasing supply of a product would tend to raise prices for consumers or lower them? |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| Menino80 wrote: |
| That would be a complete game changer, but it would probably put most English education out of the reach of the lower middle class in Korea because of the jump in wages. |
How so?
All this says is that they want to streamline the way teachers get second jobs.
That second job will still be subject to certain restrictions, namely the number of hours and in a way the income earned.
This will not affect parents or the wages of teachers. Teachers working a second location simply earn more in total, their base pay for one of their jobs does not go up.
This is not visa portability either.
As for the Japan comparison, this has been discussed earlier. The teaching visa in Japan works differently but you still need to be sponsored by an employer to work in Japan. Job transfer is simpler but still requires paperwork to be filed so that your sponsor agreement is transfered.... |
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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
This will not affect parents or the wages of teachers.
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Reductions in labour scarcity does not drive down wage rates? |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| chungbukdo wrote: |
| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
This will not affect parents or the wages of teachers.
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Reductions in labour scarcity does not drive down wage rates? |
No evidence that it'll change labour scarcity at all. The market is already saturated due to the economy.
Keep in mind that a lot of people can't or won't be able to take second jobs anyway.
This doesn't allow E-2s to do privates legally.
Most people working hagwons work afternoon/evening
they might be able to pick up some morning business classes.
Public school teachers who working during the day wouldn't be able to pick up hagwons for contractual and regulation reasons.
a few people might get extra jobs, but it isn't going to really change the amount of available labour at all. |
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chungbukdo
Joined: 22 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| crossmr wrote: |
No evidence that it'll change labour scarcity at all. |
Lifting a barrier to entry is not an indicator that there will be a greater supply of labour hours?
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| Keep in mind that a lot of people can't or won't be able to take second jobs anyway. |
People are so keen on taking second and third jobs that they do it illegally already.
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| a few people might get extra jobs, but it isn't going to really change the amount of available labour at all. |
At least 1/5 teachers I meet in this country are interested in working extra. Hakwons and other companies are also interested in hiring more native English speakers if they are easily available and they don't have to deal with housing and flying them over. Compare what teachers in countries like Japan and Taiwan do when they can take multiple jobs: they take them!
You remove a barrier to entry for the labour field and there will be more labour. Simple as that. If this weren't the case, then the law would be superfluous. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| If you work for a public school, are you allowed to teach for free outside of the school, say as a volunteer? |
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