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pungnapdonger



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:07 am    Post subject: Flight reimbursement issues Reply with quote

I'm leaving Korea on Sunday, and of course am having issues getting a respectable amount of money for my flight home.

I am traveling for four months before returning home, and on the way there I am making a few stops. So I ended up buying my own flight without going through the company, since I found a super good deal ($1100) from Beijing to Seoul to San Fran to Chicago.

What our contracts say is: "The Company shall
also purchase the cost for a return airplane ticket within 15 days after the completion of one year provided that
the instructor leave the country to return home or to go on a vacation before starting work at a new company.
In the event that the instructor fails to complete the duration of the one-year contract, any and all portions of the
reimbursed airplane ticket fee will be withheld from the Instructor�s last wage payment. The maximum amount of
the airfare for a one way ticket shall not exceed One Million (1,000,000) Korean Won."

The past two co-workers to leave were also traveling and their cost home was over 1 million, so they got the maximum amount. One of them in particular also flies home to Chicago, but was going home from Vietnam, so I had no doubt I would be getting the maximum amount too.

SO of course, shit has hit the fan. They are saying they can only cover a ticket from Seoul to Chicago, so they found one for 680,000 won, and I saw it, but it sounds absolutely ridiculous a flight that cheap would exist, but they are insisting they will only pay me that amount.

The thing is, my contract says the company will purchase the COST of a flight--it does not say the company must choose the flight or that it must be the cheapest--so I printed off a $1000 flight from Seoul to Chicago and requested they use that instead, since it is well over 1 mil.

Anyway, they are being dicks and I plan on calling the labor board tomorrow since I only have three days to sort this out. Do I have a case?! Am I right??? The contract is so vague I feel like my interpretation is totally legit. HALP PLZ.
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interestedinhanguk



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have no case. As long as that flight really does exist (yes there are fares for that price, it's one-way) you don't have a case. They're willing to give you that money. It's not your position to put off your travel home for a few months and expect them to pay that amount. You could just as well find a ticket that costs 3 million, but it doesn't matter. They're giving you the money for the cost of a flight home and that's that.

Edit: Your contract says "the country." One can rightfully assume that refers to Korea.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: Flight reimbursement issues Reply with quote

pungnapdonger wrote:
... I am traveling for four months before returning home, and on the way there I am making a few stops. So I ended up buying my own flight without going through the company, since I found a super good deal ($1100) from Beijing to Seoul to San Fran to Chicago.

... What our contracts say is: "The Company shall
also purchase the cost for a return airplane ticket within 15 days after the completion of one year provided that
the instructor leave the country to return home or to go on a vacation before starting work at a new company. ... "

... They are saying they can only cover a ticket from Seoul to Chicago, so they found one for 680,000 won, and I saw it, but it sounds absolutely ridiculous a flight that cheap would exist, but they are insisting they will only pay me that amount.

The thing is, my contract says the company will purchase the COST of a flight--it does not say the company must choose the flight or that it must be the cheapest--so I printed off a $1000 flight from Seoul to Chicago and requested they use that instead, since it is well over 1 mil.

Anyway, they are being dicks and I plan on calling the labor board tomorrow since I only have three days to sort this out. Do I have a case?! Am I right??? The contract is so vague I feel like my interpretation is totally legit. HALP PLZ.



Your company is correct.

Your contract says they will buy you a ticket home. The have agreed to pay you for "the cost of a flight home" - meaning they are going exactly and correctly by the contract terms. ... "a flight" means any flight. It is quite clear and not misleading. It is reasonable that they pay for the cheapest available flight - from Korea to Chicago in your case. So, you should be happy to get the 680,000 won.

Sure, you want to get the 1 million won maximum and the fact that tickets are cheaper means that you get less.

But, it is the existance of cheaper flights that lets you get your multi-stop excursion fare for only $1100. If your Chicago flight was actually 1 million won, then perhaps your alternate flight plan would be 2 million won. You are still coming out ahead. Don't be so greedy. You are getting everything you should get for your flight home.
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lifeinkorea



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The past two co-workers to leave were also traveling and their cost home was over 1 million, so they got the maximum amount.


So, why are you planning this far in advance? That means the airfare will be less than if you wait. They would have less chance to find a $680 flight later on. Therefore, they would have to pay out more.

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They are saying they can only cover a ticket from Seoul to Chicago, so they found one for 680,000 won


Is this when you will go to Chicago or are they saying the flight is on Sunday as well?

Again, this is too far in advance if you are traveling. You played it wrong. Take the 680 and learn for the future.
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pungnapdonger



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay I see your points.

My initial issue was that my co-worker, who was in essentially the same situation (not actually flying home from Seoul and lives in Chicago) got the full amount. I don't think I was being unreasonable to expect that as well.

And they have done plenty of shady things all year, (eg, they just had a dispute at the labor board a month ago with another co-worker and they lost), so I have learned to take anything they say with a grain of salt.


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pungnapdonger



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
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The past two co-workers to leave were also traveling and their cost home was over 1 million, so they got the maximum amount.


So, why are you planning this far in advance? That means the airfare will be less than if you wait. They would have less chance to find a $680 flight later on. Therefore, they would have to pay out more.

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They are saying they can only cover a ticket from Seoul to Chicago, so they found one for 680,000 won


Is this when you will go to Chicago or are they saying the flight is on Sunday as well?

Again, this is too far in advance if you are traveling. You played it wrong. Take the 680 and learn for the future.


No, I'm not going to Chicago until June but the flight they showed me was for this Saturday.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pungnapdonger wrote:
lifeinkorea wrote:
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The past two co-workers to leave were also traveling and their cost home was over 1 million, so they got the maximum amount.


So, why are you planning this far in advance? That means the airfare will be less than if you wait. They would have less chance to find a $680 flight later on. Therefore, they would have to pay out more.

Quote:
They are saying they can only cover a ticket from Seoul to Chicago, so they found one for 680,000 won


Is this when you will go to Chicago or are they saying the flight is on Sunday as well?

Again, this is too far in advance if you are traveling. You played it wrong. Take the 680 and learn for the future.


No, I'm not going to Chicago until June but the flight they showed me was for this Saturday.



Since you are leaving your job and leaving Korea this weekend, the date is appropriate.

However, you should make sure that the flight they showed you is a real flight and actually available.
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lifeinkorea



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm leaving Korea on Sunday

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the flight they showed me was for this Saturday.


Well, which is it? Are they required to find a flight on Sunday if they want to pay out less? I would hold them to this if your contract doesn't state otherwise. Tell them you aren't able to leave until Sunday, so any flights on Saturday are not applicable. Just cross your fingers and hope it doesn't go the other way where they find a flight for $500 Laughing
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interestedinhanguk



Joined: 23 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
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I'm leaving Korea on Sunday

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the flight they showed me was for this Saturday.


Well, which is it? Are they required to find a flight on Sunday if they want to pay out less? I would hold them to this if your contract doesn't state otherwise. Tell them you aren't able to leave until Sunday, so any flights on Saturday are not applicable. Just cross your fingers and it doesn't go the other way and they find a flight for $500 Laughing

He's going to China on Sunday.
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lifeinkorea



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

interestedinhanguk wrote:
lifeinkorea wrote:
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I'm leaving Korea on Sunday

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the flight they showed me was for this Saturday.


Well, which is it? Are they required to find a flight on Sunday if they want to pay out less? I would hold them to this if your contract doesn't state otherwise. Tell them you aren't able to leave until Sunday, so any flights on Saturday are not applicable. Just cross your fingers and it doesn't go the other way and they find a flight for $500 Laughing

He's going to China on Sunday.


Then a flight on Saturday is worthless. You could go to the airport probably now and find a flight that isn't fully booked. They might give you a deal since it's an empty seat. This is the fine line where I side with the teacher.

Usually, you have so many days (I think 10) to take advantage of a free flight home. So, if Saturday isn't the 10th day, then Sunday is or a later day is. Therefore, the teacher should be given the cheapest flight on the day they want to leave. I say "should" because others may argue it doesn't have to be the "cheapest".
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is quite unlikely that the labor office will care whether the flight is Saturday or Sunday. One day is a non issue under the contract as posted. As long as it's a real flight where actual seats were available at the stated price at the time this option was found, then it fulfills the contract.
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pungnapdonger



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I could not care less about which day it was on. That wasn't the point of this post at all.

I'm going to check to make sure it is, in fact, a real flight that is available for purchase, and also make sure it is the price after taxes. 680,000 for a flight home only a few days away sounds really unbelievable.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
It is quite unlikely that the labor office will care whether the flight is Saturday or Sunday. One day is a non issue under the contract as posted. As long as it's a real flight where actual seats were available at the stated price at the time this option was found, then it fulfills the contract.


You are really missing my points. I was not talking about going to labor office. I was talking about discussing this with the hagwon.

The original poster didn't play this one out correctly. They stated they didn't care which day, so the hagwon found one for Saturday. If they said they were going to leave on Sunday, then the school probably wouldn't have looked up Saturday flights. Therefore, they wouldn't have seen the 680 flight. For some reason they decided on Saturday, while the original poster decided on Sunday.

It's still unclear how that worked out.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
ontheway wrote:
It is quite unlikely that the labor office will care whether the flight is Saturday or Sunday. One day is a non issue under the contract as posted. As long as it's a real flight where actual seats were available at the stated price at the time this option was found, then it fulfills the contract.


You are really missing my points. I was not talking about going to labor office. I was talking about discussing this with the hagwon.

The original poster didn't play this one out correctly. They stated they didn't care which day, so the hagwon found one for Saturday. If they said they were going to leave on Sunday, then the school probably wouldn't have looked up Saturday flights. Therefore, they wouldn't have seen the 680 flight. For some reason they decided on Saturday, while the original poster decided on Sunday.

It's still unclear how that worked out.



I think this school would have "found" some kind of ticket to lowball this payment in any case. I'm doubtfull that such a ticket could actually be bought. If it was me I might just let them go ahead and actually provide me with this mythical ticket so I could go home. Then they might make a better cash offer.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think this school would have "found" some kind of ticket to lowball this payment in any case.


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I'm doubtfull that such a ticket could actually be bought


Then, they wouldn't have "found" some kind of ticket to lowball. If you tell the school like the original poster did, "Go ahead, I can fly any day. I don't care", then the school has complete advantage. They can search every day until they get the "cheap" one. It's conceivable this way to get a flight that cheap. However, when you specifically state a day, then the odds are in your favor. There are different patterns. One flight I was looking for wasn't cheap until Friday the following week. Then it was the same price after. I would have told the school I had to go on Thursday. By giving them free reign to pick any day, that means they can look ahead and therefore pay less.

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If it was me I might just let them go ahead and actually provide me with this mythical ticket so I could go home. Then they might make a better cash offer.


The premise as I understand it is that the school has looked for the cheapest flight in theory. They were never going to purchase the ticket. Otherwise, they would have done so already. So, they sat down and looked at all dates and times for the lowest flight. It's not hard to do, especially when you have a teacher saying, "Oh, I'll go any day."
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