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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:41 pm    Post subject: Contracts have sure gone down hill Reply with quote

I am looking around for a new job and haven't been too concerned with location or age of the students as I have pretty much taught all levels over the years.

I must say though that even the private schools that sound good when you hear the details of thier programs put me off once you see the contracts that they offer. I used to think the contracts offered when Korea was the wild East were bad, but seriously some of those now are just shocking.

Those new teachers who sign these contracts obviously have no idea of how bad the conditions offered have beome even from those 3-4 yrs ago. One contract seriously made me wonder how bad they believe life is back home that people would accept slavery in Korea.

I was not intentionally planning on going home, but if the offers and contracts I am being shown are all that is out there, then thats it for me. The funniest ones are where the recruiter advertises one position and then slips you a great school because they cant give you the first position. Great is obviously in the mind of the beholder, but its not proven by the contract they want to show you.

Korea sure has changed.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:54 am    Post subject: Re: Contracts have sure gone down hill Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
I was not intentionally planning on going home, but if the offers and contracts I am being shown are all that is out there, then thats it for me.


After all these years? You're out?

I agree though that this is probably the darkest hour so far in Korean ESL. Contracts and conditions are not what they used to be.

Where to next then?
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me: Home I would wager for 2-3 years at least.

I wont say no to a new job if someone offers me something decent, but I wouldn't call 140 hrs of teaching including non paid extra work good. Or being expected to make a new lesson plan for every class every day plus marking extra and training camps for no extra pay to be great.

Its easy to say, you do these many hrs and then do all this extra work unpaid, but that extra work can sure build up. Or being told that they can move you into a number of different work locations.

It seems some of these schools have been burned before and now they have everything covered including having to pay airfare back, within 9 months if you leave. Considering that if you are a long term teacher in Korea, then the work place must be pretty bad for you to do a runner. You would think the schools would negotiate some stuff.

Though, I guess I also see the potential problems that could be caused by each of the contracts I have read and know how they could be used if they want to screw you. I guess experience is making me more cautious than a new teacher to korea.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got something tangible planned for your move home?

I assume you do and it will avoid you all sorts of pitfalls and troubles as you move back.

Good luck!
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Illysook



Joined: 30 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not explore a new part of the world?
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Seoul'n'Corea



Joined: 06 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:08 am    Post subject: Re: Contracts have sure gone down hill Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
Summer Wine wrote:
I was not intentionally planning on going home, but if the offers and contracts I am being shown are all that is out there, then thats it for me.


After all these years? You're out?

I agree though that this is probably the darkest hour so far in Korean ESL. Contracts and conditions are not what they used to be.

Where to next then?


Out tomorrow, never EVER going to return to SMOE or being the English parrot in Korea.

I hope my school gets a looser of a NET, so they can see how much extras I did for their school. They neither valued me nor made any effort to improve their program for the kids.
IT was a waste of 3 years of my life ! F@ck em.
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Summer Wine



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Patrick I know what I am going to do when I go home. I am just looking around at the moment for another year in Korea. I am not burned out on Korea, its kind of become my home in a way. Go figure.

If I am leaving, I will sort out a rental property back home before I leave, so when I return, I will have a place already to move into. Already looking at other options as well, such as location to live in etc, jobs etc. Though its sorted out.

I am pretty blase, but my parents have been in a similar situation as me before. Moving back home after many years overseas so they have been giving me advice about the things you should look at, even the psychological issues of returning home and finding culture shock.

I should be fine, and if it doesnt work out then I will see what comes up. Though I feel this is my final year ever in korea if I dont get a job here I like. Its been up and down for me over the years in Korea, but I dont regret my time here and I have no problems saying good bye to it.

You have to leave sometime, regardless of how long you have lived here. Its just another pitstop on the road through my life.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made the move home almost a year ago now, and I still wish I had stayed in Korea. It's -28 here in Canuckistahn.

But like you, I was sick of playing the "game", not being valued, doing a bunch of useless things that I know are useless and not being allowed to do anything of my own.


By the grace of God I got work right away, but physical labour is not so comfy after years of being an EFLer.

If I ever return to Korea, I am going to look into an "After School" program.

From what I here, they are head and shoulders above both hogwons and regular PS jobs.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer Wine wrote:
Yeah, Patrick I know what I am going to do when I go home. I am just looking around at the moment for another year in Korea. I am not burned out on Korea, its kind of become my home in a way. Go figure.

If I am leaving, I will sort out a rental property back home before I leave, so when I return, I will have a place already to move into. Already looking at other options as well, such as location to live in etc, jobs etc. Though its sorted out.

I am pretty blase, but my parents have been in a similar situation as me before. Moving back home after many years overseas so they have been giving me advice about the things you should look at, even the psychological issues of returning home and finding culture shock.

I should be fine, and if it doesnt work out then I will see what comes up. Though I feel this is my final year ever in korea if I dont get a job here I like. Its been up and down for me over the years in Korea, but I dont regret my time here and I have no problems saying good bye to it.

You have to leave sometime, regardless of how long you have lived here. Its just another pitstop on the road through my life.


Great to read.

Glad you are well prepared.

Best of luck.

We settled in Canada in 2008. Nearly 3 years later now, I still miss Korea and my work there. We are quite happy in Canada, despite the horrible winters. My wife has done well in general terms. We certainly have not ruled out a move to Korea at somepoint down the line as I have offers there (Teaching and non-teaching) coming in all the time.

We had purchased a house and a rental property in Canada while we lived in Korea and this helped immensely with the settling in in Canada.
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