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Canadian English......... is this seriously the go???
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tottenhamtaipeinick



Joined: 05 Sep 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:03 pm    Post subject: Canadian English......... is this seriously the go??? Reply with quote

Honestly is Korea full of Canadians or something? I have been trying to get jobs in Seoul in Gangnam, Songpa or Jamsil yet everytime I get to the interview or they hand in my Resume to the School, I get the response sorry they prefer Canadian English. They don't just say Canadian but 'Canadian English'. So are Canadians selling a crock of Bull$%# to Koreans or do Koreans really think there is a big difference in the English Language depending on what country somebody comes from.

It appears anything outside of the main areas I get given a contract for yet I don't want it but anything I go for close is Canadians only?

Anybody else find this? Is there some kind of connection Canada has with Korea? I have lived with Canadians and their English accent isn't strong at all neither is mine even though I am from Australia sometimes people say they can't tell by my accent!
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tottenhamtaipeinick



Joined: 05 Sep 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry this sounds like a rant against Canadians which it isn't I am just finding it hard to get a job in such a small location! Damn Sad....

Anyway is it possible to sell myself even though I am Australian lol?

IDEAS????
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Ninja Bees



Joined: 31 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work with two Canadians out of 6 FT. I am from the south (states) and I don't even try to hide my accent (now) when I am talking to the Korean teachers. They just go with it because they know that I deliberately slow down and speak clearly with the kids.

Marking that you are Australian is an automatic indicator. If you get to the interview (and I am so sorry for saying this) try to hide your accent. I had to (southern accents are a whole different world to other states). Once you get past the interview, you should be golden.
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tottenhamtaipeinick



Joined: 05 Sep 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really?

But what about when they ask me which country am I from? I had one guy speak to me and near the end I said my gf was living here with me in Australia and moved back, to which he said "oh I thought you were from England". So I guess my Australian accent is hidden and not strong Smile but every interview and even the initial contact with recruiters the main question is "where are you from?"
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Bondrock



Joined: 08 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hakwan owner may be referring to a serious site like this:
http://www.gts-translation.com/Canadian_English_translation.asp


Or maybe the boss wants the students to learn how to understand phrases like this:
"Hey Bye, pull over for a whiz and a six pack of Crullers at Horton's, eh?"
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Ninja Bees



Joined: 31 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Marking that you are Australian is an automatic indicator.


I guess I lucked out because Korea dosen't take in account different regions of the states. What schools are you looking at? I've met Australians, English, and a South African (English was her second language) and they all have teaching jobs.

IMHO, recruiters are not going to help you, they are going to help themselves. Your accent is not marketable, so they put you at the bottom of some recruiter list (making this up as I go). Have you tried applying directly to schools?
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oldtrafford



Joined: 12 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Run a mile from joints that talk about accents, they're a bunch of fruit cakes the lot of them!! There are plenty of jobs that don't talk such nonsense!!
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tottenhamtaipeinick



Joined: 05 Sep 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ninja Bees wrote:
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Marking that you are Australian is an automatic indicator.


I guess I lucked out because Korea dosen't take in account different regions of the states. What schools are you looking at? I've met Australians, English, and a South African (English was her second language) and they all have teaching jobs.

IMHO, recruiters are not going to help you, they are going to help themselves. Your accent is not marketable, so they put you at the bottom of some recruiter list (making this up as I go). Have you tried applying directly to schools?


directly to schools? Is this possible as I am in the land down under lol? What is the best website as the one on here only seems to advertise "BEST JOBS IN SOUTH KOREA etc from recruiters with little to no information" Sorry I am stressing as being offered a job in Yongin doesn't really fly when you ask for one in Seoul lol
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fungrel



Joined: 26 Dec 2010

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm an Aussie, and i got a job through a recruiter in Australia... weird i know! I live in the countryside, and there are a lot of Saffas and UK folk there. As another poster indicated, if you are having trouble with recruiters or hagwon managers that care about accents, DON'T deal with them. Simple.
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Ice Tea



Joined: 23 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look at it from their perspective. If you want your school to feature the "General American Accent", the one used in movies and on TV, then you can hire a Yankee and have a pretty good shot at getting the right accent, or you can hire a Canuck and get a 95% shot at nailing the right accent, lest they be from Newfoundland.

Aussies, Brits, and Kiwis on the other hand can be a mixed bag, ranging from a slight variation in pitch to completely incomprehensible, even to me.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Accent is important to what the school offers and promises its students. It also makes a big difference in what, how and how fast the students learn. It is important for young and lower level students to have a consistent model to emulate. Older students at higher levels can benefit from having a variety of accents, but lower level students will be handicapped by the same mix. There are many schools that will not hire Americans with heavy southern, New England or Texas accents for the same reason that they would exclude some Kiwis, Aussies, Irish and Scotts based on their sound - these are all outside of the standard English sound.
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tottenhamtaipeinick



Joined: 05 Sep 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
Accent is important to what the school offers and promises its students. It also makes a big difference in what, how and how fast the students learn. It is important for young and lower level students to have a consistent model to emulate. Older students at higher levels can benefit from having a variety of accents, but lower level students will be handicapped by the same mix. There are many schools that will not hire Americans with heavy southern, New England or Texas accents for the same reason that they would exclude some Kiwis, Aussies, Irish and Scotts based on their sound - these are all outside of the standard English sound.


Standard English? Did you come up with that one? Must be the town you are from that speaks standard English.
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tottenhamtaipeinick



Joined: 05 Sep 2010
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fungrel wrote:
I'm an Aussie, and i got a job through a recruiter in Australia... weird i know! I live in the countryside, and there are a lot of Saffas and UK folk there. As another poster indicated, if you are having trouble with recruiters or hagwon managers that care about accents, DON'T deal with them. Simple.


What recruiter did you use?
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sigmundsmith



Joined: 22 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
Accent is important to what the school offers and promises its students. It also makes a big difference in what, how and how fast the students learn. It is important for young and lower level students to have a consistent model to emulate. Older students at higher levels can benefit from having a variety of accents, but lower level students will be handicapped by the same mix. There are many schools that will not hire Americans with heavy southern, New England or Texas accents for the same reason that they would exclude some Kiwis, Aussies, Irish and Scotts based on their sound - these are all outside of the standard English sound.


These two points are completely atrocious, and really quite ill-informed.

Studies have shown that children from infancy who interact and receive a greater number and a great variety of input (this includes, accents, vocabulary etc.) from adults develop their language skills and are more cognitively developed than those who have limited interaction and receive it from limited sources. Therefor, different cultures/accents are introduced that bring different vocabulary and expressions that the child is able to decipher and develop within their lexicon.

The second point you made referring to standard English. HAHAHAHAHA. Can you please define what you mean by standard English? Very Happy There is no such thing. But I would be quite interested to hear what your thoughts are.
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mellow-d



Joined: 07 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's not only the Canadian accent but our tendency to speak slowly. I was on a flight in the States and the flight attendant asked me something. She spoke so fast, I had to get her to repeat herself. It was a little embarrassing.
In general, Koreans seem to have a high opinion of Canada. Maybe it's because we're begging skilled immigrants to come and settle in our country. Most Koreans I talk to have either visited Canada or at least know someone who has settled there through the government's campaign to attract skilled workers to the country.
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