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meangradin



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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 5:47 pm    Post subject: grammar question Reply with quote

I was flipping through the blue Azar text and came across a point that confused me:

"I'm used to sleeping with the window open"
"I'm accustomed to sleeping with the window open"

According to Azar, "used/accustomed" are followed by the preposition "to" and a gerund that acts as the object of the preposition. Is this true? I consider "used to/accustomed to" to be phrasal verbs with "to" being a particle and the gerund acting as the object of the phrasal verb.

What do you think?
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: grammar question Reply with quote

meangradin wrote:
I was flipping through the blue Azar text and came across a point that confused me:

"I'm used to sleeping with the window open"
"I'm accustomed to sleeping with the window open"

According to Azar, "used/accustomed" are followed by the preposition "to" and a gerund that acts as the object of the preposition. Is this true? I consider "used to/accustomed to" to be phrasal verbs with "to" being a particle and the gerund acting as the object of the phrasal verb.

What do you think?



'Used to/accustomed to' require verbs to complete a sentence.
Phrasal verbs do not require an extra verb to complete a sentence.

I would go with 'used to/accustomed to' as prepositional phrases and the the gerund following being an object of the prepositional phrase.
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lifeinkorea



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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offhand, I can't think of phrasal verbs with "to" in it. Usually, they are directional words added to a verb (up, down, out, in, etc...)
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meangradin



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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Offhand, I can't think of phrasal verbs with "to" in it. Usually, they are directional words added to a verb (up, down, out, in, etc...)


Bingo! You are right. I could only find one, "look up to."

edit: 3 more

"look forward to"
"look in to"
"stick to"
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lifeinkorea



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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meangradin wrote:
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Offhand, I can't think of phrasal verbs with "to" in it. Usually, they are directional words added to a verb (up, down, out, in, etc...)


Bingo! You are right. I could only find one, "look up to."

edit: 3 more

"look forward to"
"look in to"
"stick to"


I don't know how "to" is analyzed here. You could say "I went TO the store". Does that mean "went to" is a phrasal verb?

The first 3 you have with up, forward, and in all have directional words. The last one is the closest I see to being accepted as a phrasal verb. However, I differentiate this as being an expression and not a phrasal verb.

"Some of the rice was STUCK TO the sides of the pot."

This is like "went TO the store". We could also say, "The gum was stuck UNDER the desk", or, "The cat was stuck IN the small hole". I would look at these as more prepositions.

"You shouldn't give up. STICK TO IT." / STICK TO YOUR GUNS

This is an expression needing "it". So, it's close but no cigar.
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schwa



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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Come to" in the sense of regain consciousness.
"Take to" meaning start to like.
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lifeinkorea



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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
"Come to" in the sense of regain consciousness.
"Take to" meaning start to like.


Ok you got me with "take to". I can see that as being a phrasal verb ( although I don't like admitting it Laughing )

Can you give a sentence for "come to"? A sentence with "come to your senses" seems more like an expression to me.

I see there are more at http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/phrasal-verbs/search.php?q=to

I guess I am not used to seeing "to" in lessons for phrasal verbs.
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some waygug-in



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have come to the realization that English grammar is filled with a lot of nonsense. Laughing
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schwa



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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After people faint, they come to.
After a knock-out punch, a person comes to.
Likewise after getting anesthesia.

Inarguably a relatively common phrasal verb.
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lifeinkorea



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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are not usually heard examples, but ok, esoteric.
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meangradin



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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"be" + "accustomed to/used to" aren't phrasal verbs for the simple reason that they are adjectives, therefore "to" can't be a particle, so it must be a preposition.
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