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tottenhamtaipeinick
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 Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:37 pm Post subject: Wow no sympathy for immigrants from Queensland Government!!! |
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Last night when I got home a Korean friend phoned me for my help in regards to a matter with not paying toll fines to use a bridge crossing in Brisbane. He was working at a chicken processing plant and drove across this bridge not knowing it is a toll bridge with cameras. He speaks very little English and asked for my help as yesterday 1 YES 1 Envelope with 72 fines showing photographic images were sent to his house for immediate payment! I was astonished he didn't once realise that he does have to pay this toll to use the bridge though soon realised he had no understanding of the slightly small signs and cameras that look like speed cameras. To make matters worse these are the first infringement notices received and on top of the already overly expensively priced toll of $3.85AUD every notice has $25 for administration! $25??? Total owing is $2077. I am totally angry at this as usually when you get an infringement notice or fine it comes out straight away! NOT 3 Months worth of infringement notices at once!
Today I though I could sort it out with them and obviously state what happened to say he will pay $277.2 for the complete costs of the toll. This was swiftly declined by this 'go via' group. I can say this is pathetic as you use any other toll in Brisbane say Clem 7 and they instant send you a demand notice with NO administration fee and you know within 2-3 days that you didn't pay a toll. This guy has notices from January! This to me is a scam and to make matters worse the lady I spoke to spelt out TOLL to me and told me I should teach him this!
Absolutely pathetic and I feel so ashamed to say I am Australian after this incident.
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tottenhamtaipeinick
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Wow no sympathy for immigrants from Queensland Governmen |
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Stan Rogers
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Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
It wasn't intentional on his part, but he broke the law repeatedly. The best thing for him to do is go to court, explain what happened to the judge, and maybe have his fine reduced. |
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tottenhamtaipeinick
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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I think you miss the point!
Yes he broke the law, but he broke it 72 times!
They sent one massive envelope with 72 notices! That is just plain wrong. Everybody gets an infringement notice once in their life without fully realising what they did wrong until they read it but it comes alone and learn from it then move on! It does not come 72 times in one go! |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Stan Rogers
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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And that's why he should go to court and tell that to a judge. The judge will see that they didn't follow proper procedure and probably throw the case out. At the very least he'll get a reduction for being new in the country and unaware of things.
He doesn't even need a lawyer for this. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Agreed. a judge should be able to wave those extra fees. |
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blm
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:26 am Post subject: |
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I had a friend who got 20 or so speeding tickets from the one camera. They basically sped past the same spot every day.
They managed to get most of them errased and keep their license so your friend should be ok.
I don't think it would be a common problem because Koreans can only drive on an international license for so long (12 months max) and if his english is good enough to pass the driving test it would be good enough to read the toll signs. It's a bit of a safety concern that he can't read road signs. |
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cragesmure
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
It wasn't intentional on his part, but he broke the law repeatedly. The best thing for him to do is go to court, explain what happened to the judge, and maybe have his fine reduced. |
this is exactly right. It takes time to process the fines, send them out, etc. He broke the law. Plain and simple. The onus is on him to understand the local laws. That's the same as it is everywhere. And to break the law 72 times? He's lucky he doesn't get his ignorant arse deported. |
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cragesmure
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| Oh, and to imply that it's only immigrants that are being hit with this law is just plain dumb. Did he hold his passport up to the camera as he broke the law? Come on. I know it's Queensland, but it's not THAT racist. |
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tottenhamtaipeinick
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| cragesmure wrote: |
| Oh, and to imply that it's only immigrants that are being hit with this law is just plain dumb. Did he hold his passport up to the camera as he broke the law? Come on. I know it's Queensland, but it's not THAT racist. |
huh? No I explained to this Go Via lady that he is Korean and didn't understand the process correctly and she spelt out 'toll' to me and told me to teach him it and hung up. |
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tottenhamtaipeinick
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| cragesmure wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
It wasn't intentional on his part, but he broke the law repeatedly. The best thing for him to do is go to court, explain what happened to the judge, and maybe have his fine reduced. |
this is exactly right. It takes time to process the fines, send them out, etc. He broke the law. Plain and simple. The onus is on him to understand the local laws. That's the same as it is everywhere. And to break the law 72 times? He's lucky he doesn't get his ignorant arse deported. |
Takes time to send out a payment for a toll? The toll in my suburb Clem7 takes 2 days and gives you notice of the exact amount you owe and not a $25 administration fee. I have since read this Go Via has kept notices for up to a year then sent them out a final notice for $140. It is getting a lot of stink for keeping toll fines for long times and then just issuing fines.
We use scanners in our cars for tolls so it is even for me sometimes hard to tell where exactly these new tolls are until I hear it beep in my car! It isn�t like the American-Mexican border ok so stop pretending this guy is a criminal! |
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johnnyrook
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds like a job for Today Tonight. |
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Ruthdes
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds like a job for Today Tonight. |
Heh...this is what I was thinking, but "Korean immigrant who barely speaks English" is hardly going to win the sympathy of the target demographic. Anyone remember Working Dog's show, Frontline? They're after the D's and E's  Maybe Choice though?
It is ridiculous that it took three months to issue the fines. Yes he should've known and ignorance is not an excuse, but neither is there an excuse to hold on to those fines for so long. It reeks of either profiteering or incompetence. Good luck! |
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TECO
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Of course he's guilty.
But....is 3 months a reasonable period of time to issue a violation ticket? He should take the matter to court and let a judge decide. |
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