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cyui



Joined: 10 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:37 pm    Post subject: Korean Native \Accent Reply with quote

So I know there are some SUPER long term Korean expaters" on this board..With the vast exception of Kyopo; how many of you English Native Speakers' have actually been able to pull of the Korean Native Accent?


I'll be REALLY surprised if even one person is able to claim this as a real feet as Korean always say speaking is good for the sake of politness and not real acheivment,.
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nick70100



Joined: 09 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Korean Native \Accent Reply with quote

cyui wrote:
So I know there are some SUPER long term Korean expaters" on this board..With the vast exception of Kyopo; how many of you English Native Speakers' have actually been able to pull of the Korean Native Accent?


I'll be REALLY surprised if even one person is able to claim this as a real feet as Korean always say speaking is good for the sake of politness and not real acheivment,.


This is a pretty loaded question. What is a "Korean Native Accent"? There are many different accents used around the Korean peninsula and no two people speak exactly the same.

Do a lot of foreigners who learn Korean have poor pronunciation? Yes
Is this also true for learners of English and other languages? Yes
Are there some foreigners who have excellent Korean pronunciation? Yes

How can you prove it? I would imagine the best way is that if a Korean heard you speak without seeing you and didn't suspect that you were foreign. This has happened to me before (especially on the phone), but it's certainly not a very scientific proof, nor would I claim that my Korean pronunciation is perfect.

What is the point of this question anyway?
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jonpurdy



Joined: 08 Jan 2009
Location: Ulsan

PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it depends on the sentence. I've been here 2.5 years and can pull of a perfect Korean accent for some stuff. One thing I've tried right from the beginning is to not sound like a foreigner. Common things involving ordering food or riding taxis I can generally speak perfectly if I focus (since it's about timing too, especially with the Gyeongsangnamdo accent that I try to mimic). But anything else and I've got a slight or strong foreign accent.

Thus far, I've never met any foreigner who can speak with a perfect Korean accent (though I've met some people who speak quite well, just not 100% perfectly).
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Chet Wautlands



Joined: 11 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you started learning Korean from a very early age, there is a strong chance that you will never have a perfect accent. This doesn't mean you can't achieve fluency, but you (likely) will have a foreign accent forever.

Think of any adults you know who have learned English after their 13th birthday... generally they speak English with an accent. It's almost unavoidable.

There are exceptions, though. These people are usually linguistically talented and willing to put in the hours of practice.

When I ask Koreans about my accent, they always tell me it's excellent. If I follow up by asking them if I sound Korean, they laugh and say that I don't. I sound very good, for a foreigner. That's fine with me.
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cyui



Joined: 10 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Guys'.

I was wondering if there was a chance that Language Acquisition could be more gentically based instead of envioromentally.
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Cedar



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

--before-- my jaw was broken and healed off kilter and I had to re-learn how to make even my English sound the way it used to, I often could fool people on the phone as long as it was ordinary conversation.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



제 발음은 한국 사람과 똑 같아!

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nate1983



Joined: 30 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've also noticed I pronounce things a lot better and use a more "Korean" intonation when I'm talking about things I'm comfortable with. If I start stumbling over words, I hear a pretty thick American accent come out, but in general the jury seems to be out...I've had numerous people I've spoken to on the phone (from just giving directions to a real estate agent) be surprised when they met me that I wasn't Korean, and people have said they don't hear any foreign accent/intonation, but at the same time I've had plenty of friends/teachers say my accent needs a lot of work. I definitely noticed a big improvement when I started paying attention to the "intonation" aspect though (for reference, my Korean ability is around level 5-6 on TOPIK).

I do know a handful of foreigners (American, European, and Asian) who seem to have totally nailed the Korean accent/pronunciation/intonation, the whole kit 'n caboodle. I'd say they all speak fluently though, so there's something to be said for first focusing on learning the language, and then when you do you'll naturally improve how you sound.
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sirius black



Joined: 04 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a tv show that has foreign women and they talk about the cultural differences, etc. and I've been told by a couple natives that a couple of them are really good with their accents. They seem to speak great korean to me but i've been told its accented.
I am no where near fluent but I am a fairly good mimic. As a kid would imitate celebs, etc. and once when I ordered some hot chocolate in korean, my friends said I got the local accent perfectly and they were surprised but all I did was mimic their intonation.

As to the original question, I think its possible but not likely in most cases, unless you've been here since childhood. Lingquistically, its more difficult to pick up languages as an adult, just as how foreigners in our countries who have come as adults, even early 20s, still have an accent after being in our countries for 10 or 20 years.

There are exceptions but its not the usual case. I would think one would have to speak korean entirely to get close to being indistinguishable to a native korean when on the phone, etc.
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RMNC



Joined: 21 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Countires with romance languages (save for France) usually are better at Korean, due to their pronunciation of syllable blocks, pronouncing all of the vowels and rolling their r/l's. The Italians and Spanish on that show always have very good accents. They're pretty much the same intonation and pronunciation, just with different vocab, grammar and alphabets.
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nick70100



Joined: 09 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sirius black wrote:

There are exceptions but its not the usual case. I would think one would have to speak korean entirely to get close to being indistinguishable to a native korean when on the phone, etc.


I've been thinking about the phone thing more. It's happened to me multiple times. For example, just last week I was having a problem with my washing machine. I called up the repair guy and explained basically what the problem was and we settled on a time for him to come and take a look at it. At the end when he asked for my name and address he absolutely lost his mind when I gave him a non-Korean name. He couldn't believe that I wasn't Korean.

I think my pronunciation is pretty good, but I know it isn't perfect. I think these sort of assumptions might come from the fact that the vast majority of Koreans just never encounter foreigners speaking Korean. In the west we're used to hearing foreign accents, but perhaps not so much in Korea. Maybe they might detect something strange when you're talking to them on the phone, but the first assumption might be "maybe he has a speech impediment" or "maybe he is from some small village somewhere with a weird accent" or "maybe he's slightly retarded" rather than making the assumption that he is a foreigner. Obviously it's different when they see you and know that you're not Korean.

On the other hand, I have met Japanese and Chinese people in Korea who speak well enough to pass as Koreans at times. So I think it is possible, though not easy for most people.

The other question is, does it really matter? I would say as long as your pronunciation is good enough for people to easily understand you then it's not a big deal.
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