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david



Joined: 31 Oct 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:59 pm    Post subject: Fired and in need of advice. Reply with quote

I work for a hogwan and had one problem when I began working there that was on me. I shouted at her in front of the students in a fit of frustration and asked her to stop hijacking the lessons as the inevitable result was non-stop Korean.
She didn't tell me how much this upset her at the time and I learned from her about two months later that she wanted to get rid of me for this incident and another reason. ( A Canadian teacher with a zippy personality was going to be leaving and she thought that my comparatively less vital manner would cost her even more students. ) Nothing ever came of her interviews with the candidates and we agreed that I would stay on. I was well aware I only had the job by default, but couldn't leave w/o a release letter and didn't mind the job itself enough to strongly desire an exit.
It was last Thursday when I walked into an unkempt classroom that my boss had just exited. I cleaned up the small mess and thought nothing of it until she asked me to pick up a specific book before putting the restback on the back on the shelf. She looked at me with disgust when I told her I didn't know which book she was referring to. I walked to the front and slammed two books down in front of two students. I walked out of the classroom and she followed. She told me that I swore at her and that I was fired. I never opened my mouth to her, said this, and she became irate. She threatened to call the police if I wouldn't leave and so I left.
I have never received a written warning from this woman and only received one verbal warning. I have been at the school for over 6 months and am assuming that I should be given 30 days. She says 2 weeks and I have to be out of my apartment in 2 weeks. Am I entitled to this notice and if so how do I get her to comply?
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oldtrafford



Joined: 12 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David, check your contract. If the contract states thirty days notice is required then she needs to give you thirty days notice. If she is adamant that she doesn't tell her you're heading to the Labour Board.

You do have grounds to contest the sacking but do you really want to continue in this kind of environment. You need to get the letter of release and move on to another job. Tompatzz is more informed than I am, perhaps he can offer you some advice.

Good luck, and remember keep your cool, don't raise to the bait!!
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ajosshi



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: ajosshi.com

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Fired and in need of advice. Reply with quote

david wrote:
I work for a hogwan and had one problem when I began working there that was on me. I shouted at her in front of the students in a fit of frustration and asked her to stop hijacking the lessons as the inevitable result was non-stop Korean.
She didn't tell me how much this upset her at the time and I learned from her about two months later that she wanted to get rid of me for this incident and another reason. ( A Canadian teacher with a zippy personality was going to be leaving and she thought that my comparatively less vital manner would cost her even more students. ) Nothing ever came of her interviews with the candidates and we agreed that I would stay on. I was well aware I only had the job by default, but couldn't leave w/o a release letter and didn't mind the job itself enough to strongly desire an exit.
It was last Thursday when I walked into an unkempt classroom that my boss had just exited. I cleaned up the small mess and thought nothing of it until she asked me to pick up a specific book before putting the restback on the back on the shelf. She looked at me with disgust when I told her I didn't know which book she was referring to. I walked to the front and slammed two books down in front of two students. I walked out of the classroom and she followed. She told me that I swore at her and that I was fired. I never opened my mouth to her, said this, and she became irate. She threatened to call the police if I wouldn't leave and so I left.
I have never received a written warning from this woman and only received one verbal warning. I have been at the school for over 6 months and am assuming that I should be given 30 days. She says 2 weeks and I have to be out of my apartment in 2 weeks. Am I entitled to this notice and if so how do I get her to comply?


She sounds like a decent person, so you should be able to get a LOR.

She is giving you 2 weeks to leave. Use this time to find a another job. Many would have thrown your stuff out the same day.

If I were your boss, I would have fired you the first time (without the 30 day notice or the 2 weeks she is giving you now).

Leave and find another job. Next time around, keep your cool, and discuss things in private, if at all.

Good luck
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ajosshi



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: ajosshi.com

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldtrafford wrote:
David, check your contract. If the contract states thirty days notice is required then she needs to give you thirty days notice. If she is adamant that she doesn't tell her you're heading to the Labour Board. You do have grounds to contest the sacking but do you really want to continue in this kind of environment. You need to get the letter of release and move on to another job. Tompatzz is more informed than I am, perhaps he can offer you some advice.

Good luck, and remember keep your cool, don't raise to the bait!!


I'd say repeating this type of behavior will get you sacked on the spot in any country.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.moel.go.kr/english/topic/laborlaw_view.jsp?idx=254&tab=Standards

Look at articles 26,27,28 as they pertain to your circumstances.

If you have a case then simply go to the labor board.
You may get 30 days notice or 30 days pay.

If you don't have a case then move on.
The faster you find a new job the faster you resettle and get back to life.

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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I shouted at her in front of the students in a fit of frustration and asked her to stop hijacking the lessons as the inevitable result was non-stop Korean.


Why did you do that?

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I walked to the front and slammed two books down in front of two students.


Why did you do that?

You don't seem fit for being around kids.
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
Quote:
I shouted at her in front of the students in a fit of frustration and asked her to stop hijacking the lessons as the inevitable result was non-stop Korean.


Why did you do that?

Quote:
I walked to the front and slammed two books down in front of two students.


Why did you do that?

You don't seem fit for being around kids.

AGREED. OP, you are a guest worker, act as such at your next job.
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regardless, the co-teacher also seems incapable of handling this situation rationally and the OP seems to have an anger management problem.

I guess you're entitled to 30 days if they let you slide for 6 months.
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need a job where no one questions your authority and where you can work with adults. I think your temperment works best in a scripted environment. Based on what I've read you should become a tesol trainer.
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oldtrafford



Joined: 12 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ajoshhi wrote:

I'd say repeating this type of behavior will get you sacked on the spot in any country.

He's been sacked. She's told him he's got two weeks to do one. My advice was if he's got thirty days in his contracts to use them, if that's what he wants. The Labour Board is there to uphold laws, hogwons think they're above the law, they're not!!!!
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CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't matter if the contract has 30 days notice provided as the law requires that. Now, if the contract provides more than 30 days notice (say, 60 days), then that's a different issue and the OP would have to take that up via civil litigation.
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ajosshi



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: ajosshi.com

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldtrafford wrote:
Ajoshhi wrote:

I'd say repeating this type of behavior will get you sacked on the spot in any country.

He's been sacked. She's told him he's got two weeks to do one. My advice was if he's got thirty days in his contracts to use them, if that's what he wants. The Labour Board is there to uphold laws, hogwons think they're above the law, they're not!!!!


Let me make this clear: OP has no right to the 30 days. He gave up his rights and benefits in the contract when he lost it. Read the articles that Tom provided. He is lucky to get the two weeks.

If his boss/co-teacher wanted to get nasty, she could hire a new teacher, then sue for the costs involved, including any income she lost due to his behavior.
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Poltergeist



Joined: 03 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajosshi wrote:
oldtrafford wrote:
Ajoshhi wrote:

I'd say repeating this type of behavior will get you sacked on the spot in any country.

He's been sacked. She's told him he's got two weeks to do one. My advice was if he's got thirty days in his contracts to use them, if that's what he wants. The Labour Board is there to uphold laws, hogwons think they're above the law, they're not!!!!


Let me make this clear: OP has no right to the 30 days. He gave up his rights and benefits in the contract when he lost it. Read the articles that Tom provided. He is lucky to get the two weeks.

If his boss/co-teacher wanted to get nasty, she could hire a new teacher, then sue for the costs involved, including any income she lost due to his behavior.


By his account, she had let the first incident go and falsely accused him of swearing the second time. He denies he said anything to her and admits only that he slammed some books down ... would the courts and Labor Board really conclude that he caused "serious problems ... on purpose"?
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, it's time to leave. That's all there is to it.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you blew up at your boss in front of the kids? Good Lord.

Then you slammed down two books in front of the kids in anger? Good Lord.
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