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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:52 am    Post subject: Dealing with recruiters Reply with quote

I am on the job hunt and I sort of like it. Except for one thing: Recruiters.

I freakin' hate recruiters.

Here are some of the things going on these days:

1. Not reading my resume. I ask for a certain thing: age of students, location, time frame, etc. They offer me something way out of left field.

2. Not replying to mails but then continuing to send me regular updates of available jobs. Well dude, if you don't want to work with me, stop sending me crap.

3. Not reading mails. I got one last week and I replied with a few questions. No response. A week later, the identical introduction e-mail came again.

I am starting to get bolder and more snotty when dealing with these jerks. I just got a text message a minute ago offering me this job:

Duck Jeong In?? 1-8 pm, 1.8 million. I messaged to him 'Not a chance'.

Some other dude did #3, I told him to read my mail and answer my questions before contacting me again. No response. I guess he wasn't able to place me immediately and make a quick buck so he wasn't interested.

#2 has happened recently with a certain recruiter whose initials are DK. The guy is a clown, I don't want to do business with him.
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:06 am    Post subject: Re: Dealing with recruiters Reply with quote

BoholDiver wrote:
I am on the job hunt and I sort of like it. Except for one thing: Recruiters.

I freakin' hate recruiters.

Here are some of the things going on these days:

1. Not reading my resume. I ask for a certain thing: age of students, location, time frame, etc. They offer me something way out of left field.

2. Not replying to mails but then continuing to send me regular updates of available jobs. Well dude, if you don't want to work with me, stop sending me crap.

3. Not reading mails. I got one last week and I replied with a few questions. No response. A week later, the identical introduction e-mail came again.

I am starting to get bolder and more snotty when dealing with these jerks. I just got a text message a minute ago offering me this job:

Duck Jeong In?? 1-8 pm, 1.8 million. I messaged to him 'Not a chance'.

Some other dude did #3, I told him to read my mail and answer my questions before contacting me again. No response. I guess he wasn't able to place me immediately and make a quick buck so he wasn't interested.

#2 has happened recently with a certain recruiter whose initials are DK. The guy is a clown, I don't want to do business with him.


HAHA,good! They're starting to low-ball NET's now due to the influx of all these new teachers. People don't take anything under 2.1...EVER!
Wow, seriously??? 1.8?? Who are they trying to kid? Rolling Eyes
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1.8? I've never even seen that on the job board or from recruiters..... can anyone link me too this?

I've never seen anything under 2.0.

Yea some recruiters are bad, some are good. Thing is, right now they are giving you the jobs no one wants. So I'm assuming you're being flexible with them (which is not the way to go about it) or it's your first year in Korea so they're trying to hustle you. Either way, be firm, and the good recruiters will send you the good jobs.
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the 1.8 offer by text. I can believe they'd do it, but not to an F-2 teacher.

There is a job on worknplay right now that is offering 15,000 an hour for book editing. That's even lower than phone teaching.
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jrwhite82



Joined: 22 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bohol - I tried using a bunch of a recruiters, but all the hagwon stuff I found out there is CRAP. Does your family have any connections? That's probably your best bet.
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AsiaESLbound



Joined: 07 Jan 2010
Location: Truck Stop Missouri

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marsavalanche wrote:
1.8? I've never even seen that on the job board or from recruiters..... can anyone link me too this?

I've never seen anything under 2.0.

Yea some recruiters are bad, some are good. Thing is, right now they are giving you the jobs no one wants. So I'm assuming you're being flexible with them (which is not the way to go about it) or it's your first year in Korea so they're trying to hustle you. Either way, be firm, and the good recruiters will send you the good jobs.


Easy to find. I seen it just 10 minutes ago. The advert was asking for a teacher already in Korea for a whopping 1.8 with a 500k housing allowance and no key money offered to secure a place. http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=45930
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Radius



Joined: 20 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsiaESLbound wrote:
marsavalanche wrote:
1.8? I've never even seen that on the job board or from recruiters..... can anyone link me too this?

I've never seen anything under 2.0.

Yea some recruiters are bad, some are good. Thing is, right now they are giving you the jobs no one wants. So I'm assuming you're being flexible with them (which is not the way to go about it) or it's your first year in Korea so they're trying to hustle you. Either way, be firm, and the good recruiters will send you the good jobs.


Easy to find. I seen it just 10 minutes ago. The advert was asking for a teacher already in Korea for a whopping 1.8 with a 500k housing allowance and no key money offered to secure a place. http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=45930


That's appalling. People be smart and don't EVER accept those wages!! Because once someone takes that pay, it will slowly start being the norm.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recruiters...the never ending debate!

Basically use them for what they are: middle men who have access to a large pool of job offers. They save you the time it would take to sift through all the job adverts.

It can be frustrating but they are kind of unavoidable when you lok for work in Korea.

Still, if you have been in Korea for a while, you should technically be able to find a job without recruiters through the people you know and because you know the place pretty well.

As for recruiters, remember that most of them deal with the entry-level teaching positions and that the market is flooded with applicants who are fresh grads looking for work. If you are experienced and looking for more, applying for these jobs puts you at a disadvantage because the employer in an applicant flooded market will take the fresh grad over you 9 times out of 10 for that entry-level job (ex: PS job).

So what you need to do is reasearch the market, make contacts and apply in places that look for experience and are willing to pay for it, usually those places do not use recruiters all that much...

Good luck.
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Junior



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Dealing with recruiters Reply with quote

BoholDiver wrote:
Not reading my resume.


It took me a while to realise (weeks after I got my job) that neither my recruiter nor my employer had ever actually read my resume. Laughing

They knew my age and nationality.. but that was all.

Everything is on the photo with this game. Remember that.
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AsiaESLbound wrote:
marsavalanche wrote:
1.8? I've never even seen that on the job board or from recruiters..... can anyone link me too this?

I've never seen anything under 2.0.

Yea some recruiters are bad, some are good. Thing is, right now they are giving you the jobs no one wants. So I'm assuming you're being flexible with them (which is not the way to go about it) or it's your first year in Korea so they're trying to hustle you. Either way, be firm, and the good recruiters will send you the good jobs.


Easy to find. I seen it just 10 minutes ago. The advert was asking for a teacher already in Korea for a whopping 1.8 with a 500k housing allowance and no key money offered to secure a place. http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=45930


I checked the job and I'll say this. That job is 6 hours a day, meaning 30 hours a week as opposed to the standard 45 a week job (9 hours a day).

AND that job is giving 500,000 housing allowance which I've never actually seen, and Chang Dong is a dirt cheap area / borderline ghetto for Koreans so I'm sure you'd have no problem finding a place under that limit.

I'd also need to see the fine print because I'm sure that job doesn't have you teaching 6 hours straight each day, due to breaks.

That ISN'T as bad as it looks when you break it down (hours/area/fine print). But if I ran across a job that was 9-6 offering 1.8 yes anyone would be a moron to take that.
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's better than the TALK program. Other than that, I have nothing good to say about it.

marsavalanche wrote:
AsiaESLbound wrote:
marsavalanche wrote:
1.8? I've never even seen that on the job board or from recruiters..... can anyone link me too this?

I've never seen anything under 2.0.

Yea some recruiters are bad, some are good. Thing is, right now they are giving you the jobs no one wants. So I'm assuming you're being flexible with them (which is not the way to go about it) or it's your first year in Korea so they're trying to hustle you. Either way, be firm, and the good recruiters will send you the good jobs.


Easy to find. I seen it just 10 minutes ago. The advert was asking for a teacher already in Korea for a whopping 1.8 with a 500k housing allowance and no key money offered to secure a place. http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=45930


I checked the job and I'll say this. That job is 6 hours a day, meaning 30 hours a week as opposed to the standard 45 a week job (9 hours a day).

AND that job is giving 500,000 housing allowance which I've never actually seen, and Chang Dong is a dirt cheap area / borderline ghetto for Koreans so I'm sure you'd have no problem finding a place under that limit.

I'd also need to see the fine print because I'm sure that job doesn't have you teaching 6 hours straight each day, due to breaks.

That ISN'T as bad as it looks when you break it down (hours/area/fine print). But if I ran across a job that was 9-6 offering 1.8 yes anyone would be a moron to take that.
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cyui



Joined: 10 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait, untill the day you're "not a chance" becomes a "go to hell"

You WILL then realize just how bold u really have become.


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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this continues, I will be there in a week or so.

Am I the only one who thinks offering jobs via text is crass?


cyui wrote:
Wait, untill the day you're "not a chance" becomes "go to hell"

You WILL then realize just how bold u really have become.
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cyui



Joined: 10 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. Send a "go to hell" text back.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Dealing with recruiters Reply with quote

Junior wrote:
BoholDiver wrote:
Not reading my resume.


It took me a while to realise (weeks after I got my job) that neither my recruiter nor my employer had ever actually read my resume. Laughing

They knew my age and nationality.. but that was all.

Everything is on the photo with this game. Remember that.


Very true. Many in the ESL industry don't bother to actually read resumes. Plus, I suspect that many in Korea don't even know how to read a resume. I attended a small college before I finished my completed my degree at another university, and I've had recruiters and some at schools make comments about me having a degree from that small college. This was even brought up by an English-speaking interviewer at CDI. It makes me wonder how some people in the recruiting/hiring part of ESL in Korea get their jobs in the first place.
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