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raewon



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 5:34 pm    Post subject: grammar question about while Reply with quote

I've got a question about the usage of "while".

While he walked along the street, he met his teacher.

I want to know if the simple past can be used with "while." I've always thought that it had to be the past progressive:

While he was walking along the street, he met his teacher.
(longer action = past progressive / interrupted action = past simple).

Michael Swan's Basic English Usage supports this, but he also states the following:

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We can use as, when, or while to say that a longer action or event was going on when something else happened. We usually use the past progressive tense (was/were + .... -ing) for the longer action or event.


He said "usually." Then when is it OK to not use the past progressive for the longer action?

Thank you in advance for any comments and insight.
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am no expert. *_^

My best guess is yes you can use it, depending on what you want to say.


While he walked along the street, he met his teacher.

Grammatically correct. The meaning is the same as if the progressive were used.

Some time during the past action of walking down the street, he met his teacher.

More typically though, it would probably used for a series of past actions as in:

While on vacation he played tennis, went swimming, visited friends and relaxed.

I suppose the grammar police will challenge me on this, but that's how I see it.

You can even use it this way:

While he walked down the street, he chewed gum.

Two continuous actions in the past.

Perhaps a writer could explain the difference between that and using the progressive. But I would never use the progressive in that case...

"while he was walking down the street, he was chewing gum."

sounds awkward to me.

Hope this helps.
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: grammar question about while Reply with quote

raewon wrote:
I've got a question about the usage of "while".

While he walked along the street, he met his teacher.

I want to know if the simple past can be used with "while." I've always thought that it had to be the past progressive:

While he was walking along the street, he met his teacher.
(longer action = past progressive / interrupted action = past simple).

Michael Swan's Basic English Usage supports this, but he also states the following:

Quote:
We can use as, when, or while to say that a longer action or event was going on when something else happened. We usually use the past progressive tense (was/were + .... -ing) for the longer action or event.


He said "usually." Then when is it OK to not use the past progressive for the longer action?

Thank you in advance for any comments and insight.


Some good examples in the above post...and not a challenge...but just wanted to point out that those examples would be viewed as semantically equal in time distribution.

As he walked down the street, he chewed gum. These events would be viewed as equals. The entire time he walked, he chewed gum.

Though, as some waygug-in demonstrates, the semantic longer now can be understood pragmatically from the simple past tense as well.

As for Swan's 'usually', it is the safe bet. In most all cases, as you rightly perceived, the continuous tense is required to demonstrate the longer time frame.

For exceptions to this, the independent clause usually refers to a specifically short time frame, or an action that takes relatively no time.

As he walked down the street, he lit his cigarette.

As he walked down the street, he saw a shooting star.

Hope this is useful.
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