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mises
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 Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:19 am Post subject: Toronto one step closer to utopia |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vOCnZOcr8w&feature=player_embedded
It's about time someone stood up and took back the right to dress like a *beep*. Next, a march for the right to dress like a cowboy and not have to suffer the discrimination of society thinking you're a cowboy.
I strongly doubt that the type of male who is inclined towards rape is going to be influenced by a march. Maybe those women should take the words of the cop about personal safety as advice, even if it was poorly phrased.
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Here's a documentary on feminism in Sweden. Press CC for subs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yta55u2zP2U |
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Kimbop
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:58 am Post subject: |
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Further evidence of the decline of western civilization. Typical childless liberals. I'd like to see them pull this stunt in Saudi Arabia. They're right at home on the left-wing CBC.
Granted, what that police officer said was silly. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Kimbop, you may find this article interesting:
http://takimag.com/article/the_dawn_of_decadence
I don't know anything about the Sassanid empire so it could be nonsense. Any Sassanid experts out there? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| This computer is blocking the video. I'm guessing this is Slutwalk? |
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Fox
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Toronto one step closer to utopia |
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| mises wrote: |
| Maybe those women should take the words of the cop about personal safety as advice, even if it was poorly phrased. |
Seriously. Responding to harsh but sound advice meant to help by calling yourself a *beep* and parading around in revealing clothing is textbook teenager. Well played, modern feminism. Truly, you are still needed. |
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Koveras
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Needs more Cornfed. These women are psychopathic. They're probably abortion fiends. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Toronto: The city that banned The Bare Naked Ladies. |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| This computer is blocking the video. I'm guessing this is Slutwalk? |
Yeah, that's the one. |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:00 am Post subject: |
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http://www.slutwalktoronto.com/
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As the city�s major protective service, the Toronto Police have perpetuated the myth and stereotype of �the *beep*�, and in doing so have failed us. With sexual assault already a significantly under-reported crime, survivors have now been given even less of a reason to go to the Police, for fear that they could be blamed. Being assaulted isn�t about what you wear; it�s not even about sex; but using a pejorative term to rationalize inexcusable behaviour creates an environment in which it�s okay to blame the victim.
Historically, the term �*beep*� has carried a predominantly negative connotation. Aimed at those who are sexually promiscuous, be it for work or pleasure, it has primarily been women who have suffered under the burden of this label. And whether dished out as a serious indictment of one�s character or merely as a flippant insult, the intent behind the word is always to wound, so we�re taking it back. �*beep*� is being re-appropriated.
We are tired of being oppressed by *beep*-shaming; of being judged by our sexuality and feeling unsafe as a result. Being in charge of our sexual lives should not mean that we are opening ourselves to an expectation of violence, regardless if we participate in sex for pleasure or work. No one should equate enjoying sex with attracting sexual assault. |
Why get pissy about the cop? I don't understand this. I need a leftist decoder ring or something. The cop was trying to help women, in an inarticulate way, prevent rape. Either women want advice or they want pats on the head. Which is more important?
http://www.excal.on.ca/news/dont-dress-like-a-*beep*-toronto-cop/
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| �I�m appalled by the comment that the police officer has made saying that women should avoid dressing like sluts, and I think it goes to show the inherent misogyny and lack of education,� said Selvasivam, York Federation of Students (YFS) executive. |
Misogony? The cop was trying to prevent rape.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/toronto-police-officer-offers-inappropriate-safety-tip/article1911737/
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| �One of the safety tips was for women not to dress like �sluts.� He said something like, �I�ve been told I shouldn�t say this,� and then he uttered the words,� Ronda Bessner, Osgoode assistant dean of the Juris Doctor Program, told York University�s newspaper the Excalibur. |
Who told him that? The person who told him to filter his advice doesn't care about female safety. Women should value the experience and knowledge of that cop and leave their hysterics at the door.
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What is so hard about agreeing to disagree? Why do these identity politics interest groups show themselves to be completely unable to agree to disagree? "Oh, well we don't think dress is a meaningful factor, and here is why...". Instead "shut that cop up and apologize to women!!".
I think those ladies have too many emotions. Emotions built into their brains to ensure they care for their offspring over and above their own lives. They need babies to calm them. |
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Space Bar
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:12 am Post subject: |
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I love it!
And guys should have the right to dress like rapists, too, right?
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| Needs more Cornfed. |
So true!
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:24 am Post subject: |
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This guy:
http://unamusementpark.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/hatred-part-2/
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There is a crucial difference between acknowledging a cause and blaming the victim. The officer was acknowledging a cause: women whose outfits are designed to turn men on, are at a higher risk of attracting a rapist; thus their choice of outfit is a partial cause of their rape.
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At this juncture, I pictured an attractive female college student walking around downtown Toronto naked. I did this for strictly scientific purposes, of course. I imagined her drinking fifteen Cosmos, then walking home alone. Now, I fully agree that her clothing (or lack thereof), how she acts, and what she drinks, don�t excuse any man from sexually assaulting her. Her hypothetical assailant is 100% responsible, legally and morally and ethically and theologically and whatever other ways you can be responsible, for his own actions. And she certainly didn�t send out invitations, open or otherwise, asking for interested rapists to ambush her as she stumbles her way home through various dark alleys and unlit parks.
Nevertheless, I can think of at least three things she did in this scenario that almost certainly increased her chances of being assaulted. I am not blaming the hypothetical naked drunk victim; I am simply acknowledging causes. She had three choices to make, and every time, she chose the one more likely to lead to her assault.
Now, anyone who assaults her should be punished exactly as if she had worn a snowsuit, drank nothing but vitamin water, and driven home in a tank with Batman riding shotgun and the 82nd Airborne Division as escort. Still, if she had made those choices, it wouldn�t be an issue, would it? |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Toronto one step closer to utopia |
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| Yet another classic example how sensitivity and feelings triumphs over truth. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Either women want advice or they want pats on the head. Which is more important? |
The other day, my wife was talking at length about some problems she was having at work. After listening patiently, I proposed a few solutions. She got a bit irritated, and said she didn't want solutions, she just wanted me to listen to her.
This entire affair reminds me of such incidents. It's like the women of Toronto are collectively getting together to emphasize that no, they don't want advice from a law-enforcement professional on how to minimize their likelihood of getting raped. They just want him to politely agree being raped is terrible (preferably say it's "the worst thing that can happen to a woman") and take the accusing woman's side 100% of the time while assuring her there's nothing she could possibly have done to have prevented it.
They really do just want a pat on the head here, and given the seriousness of the situation that bothers me. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| Either women want advice or they want pats on the head. Which is more important? |
The other day, my wife was talking at length about some problems she was having at work. After listening patiently, I proposed a few solutions. She got a bit irritated, and said she didn't want solutions, she just wanted me to listen to her. |
Yes. You're supposed to say, "I understand where you are coming from, and your feelings are valid. I will do whatever you ask to support you." And then you're supposed to be quiet until she asks for specific solutions.
Its not according to my natural instincts, either. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| It helps if you add "that bitch! Who does she think she is?". |
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