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creeper1
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:01 am Post subject: what was the first genocide? - before jews and even Armenian |
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What was the first genocide? Well probably there have been ones that we don't know about. Tribes often wipe each other out but I guess you need big numbers for it to qualify as a genocide
Here is the fourth installment of a tv show called "civilisation." I am warning you if you are of African origin you might get very angry.
Please watch to the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_x4GPmL9MI&feature=channel_video_title |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Whites on the east coast of canada basically killed most of the indians. I read a book once that said tribes tended not to try and wipe each other totally out. |
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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yeah I thought after I posted this that what happened to native Americans must be classified as a genocide too. Their numbers where absolutely decimated with westward expansion.
Still this African genocide is little known and quite interesting. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: what was the first genocide? - before jews and even Arme |
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creeper1 wrote: |
What was the first genocide? Well probably there have been ones that we don't know about. Tribes often wipe each other out but I guess you need big numbers for it to qualify as a genocide
Here is the fourth installment of a tv show called "civilisation." I am warning you if you are of African origin you might get very angry.
Please watch to the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_x4GPmL9MI&feature=channel_video_title |
100,000 to 200,000 jews by the Romans during one of their rebellions. See how evil the Christians are? and religion and .................. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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When ogg and his group met and ate, bogg and his group 35,000 years ago .
Perhaps more recent when tribes from the Ethiopian plateau moved into the Nile valley and wiped out everyone. maybe 7000 years ago. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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There have been genocides since forever although obviously it would be often hard to completely wipe a people out.
The 3rd jewish war is obviously an example. Ironically it is one of the great roman emperors who was in charge (Hadrian). This had a massive effect on Jewish and Christian history. It is probable that Christianity (which was originally a jewish sect) was marketed in the empire as less jewish and more pacifist to distance themselves from the reputaion of jews and Judea as being extremely rebellious and violent. Of course when the empire became Christian the religion bent to the empire and became warlike instead of pacifist.
Another Roman example might be the third punic war. There are a few mongolian examples of mass depopulation also. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:00 am Post subject: Re: what was the first genocide? - before jews and even Arme |
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young_clinton wrote: |
100,000 to 200,000 jews by the Romans during one of their rebellions. See how evil the Christians are? and religion and .................. |
Wait..maybe I'm misreading this but Rome wasn't Christian at this time. It would be another 140 years before they have their first monotheistic emperor (although he didn't force people to accept his views also) and another 170 before Constantine the great. Or maybe you mean the later Christian purges of Jews weren't so bad in comparison? |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 12:23 am Post subject: |
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100,000 to 200,000 jews by the Romans during one of their rebellions. See how evil the Christians are? and religion and |
I'm not saying you're doing this but you hear a lot of people use this kind of argument to claim religion is inherently bad. I'm not religious but I can see it's a flawed argument. People will always fight or attack others over things that are important to them but this does not necessarily mean the thing they are fighting for isn't a good thing. After all, a lot of fights taking place on a sturday night are over women but this does not mean love is an evil thing. If you added up all the good and bad things people have done in the name of love the bad ones would probably outweigh the good, but most people believe love is a force for good. Just as religion should be |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:30 am Post subject: Re: what was the first genocide? - before jews and even Arme |
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JMO wrote: |
young_clinton wrote: |
100,000 to 200,000 jews by the Romans during one of their rebellions. See how evil the Christians are? and religion and .................. |
Wait..maybe I'm misreading this but Rome wasn't Christian at this time. It would be another 140 years before they have their first monotheistic emperor (although he didn't force people to accept his views also) and another 170 before Constantine the great. Or maybe you mean the later Christian purges of Jews weren't so bad in comparison? |
That's my point. The Romans were pagan when they massacred the Jews. One more example of how Christian abuses are molehills compared to the mountains of the other systems. Although maybe it could be argued otherwise. One more example of how Christianity has made the world a better place to live. One more rambling point, you should come to Thailand and see how the spiritually superior Buddhism has helped the poor. Thailand is wealthy enough to help the absolutely impoverished. But the devout buddhist leaders want to buy submarines, for what? The only place that I have ever seen help the desperate prostitutes in Thailand is Fatama covenent. Not anybody else. Don't Question our values, Don't learn, keep western values out. Thailand is going to blow up when the King dies. Lanna (the northerners) detests the government and the central Thais. The same with Issan (northeasterners). I am very serious you will see. I think the King should live another 2 years at the most, he is in really bad health. They love the King and no one else. Thai immigration is already trying to keep western teachers without teaching credentials out, and I have heard from very good sources it is because they know the above situation is going to happen. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Well the clash between monotheism and polytheism had something to do with it but it was probably more for political reasons. Judea was unstable and the jews were always rebelling. I don't think it could be argued that a christian Rome wouldn't have done the same thing.
Christianity as a religion was shaped and moulded into what we know today by the roman empire after all. I don't know if christianity has made the world a better place to live or not. maybe if one of the other monotheistic cults floating around at that time had come to prominence things might have been different. I doubt there would have been much less or more bloodshed though. Religions in the end are created by people and we are violent.
The cult of Sol Invictus could have been the one. It had the same feast day as Christmas and was popular. It was also monotheistic. My fave emperor (at least top 3/5) Aurelian was a big devotee. He also had one of the coolest titles ever. Restitutor Orbis or restorer of the world! Awesome..pound for pound best emperor ever. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:31 am Post subject: |
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creeper1 wrote: |
yeah I thought after I posted this that what happened to native Americans must be classified as a genocide too. Their numbers where absolutely decimated with westward expansion. |
To some extent, but most of the damage was done by pathogens, not guns. By the time westward expansion happened, most of the decimation had already occurred. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:02 am Post subject: |
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Yeah in North America it was germs. Desoto's travels spread measles and other diseases which absolutely devastated the native population. Lewis and Clark who lived with the Mandan and had no grudge or issue with them probably killed them by bringing alien diseases. Also alcohol killed many. |
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ChrisLamp
Joined: 27 Jul 2010
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:17 am Post subject: |
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there is alot of stuff in this post to debate but I just want to say that Europeans were murdering natives in the americas from Columbus to the time of Adrew Jackson. Also the wiping out of the Beothuk in Newfoundland is widely considered to be straight up Genocide. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:08 am Post subject: Re: what was the first genocide? - before jews and even Arme |
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young_clinton wrote: |
That's my point. The Romans were pagan when they massacred the Jews. One more example of how Christian abuses are molehills compared to the mountains of the other systems. Although maybe it could be argued otherwise. One more example of how Christianity has made the world a better place to live. |
This post is seriously void of logic. Can you explain your train of thought here?
Romans killed a ton of Jews. Ok. So all those progroms in Russia, the Spanish Inquisition, and who knows what else (all done by christians) was an improvement over the Romans? How has Christianity made the world any better than any other religion's impact on the world??
What a load of utter rubbish. |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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Reading Japanese history, it was their way to 'destroy' entire clans down to suckling babes because of an offense by a few of the clan members. The Beppu Clan was a famous genocide of a people in Japan. |
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