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morrisfletcher
Joined: 21 Oct 2010
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 Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:14 pm Post subject: May need to quit |
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I am getting the strong feeling that I will be fired at the end of this quarter (end of May). I work for a hagwan that I have recently found never has any of its foreign teachers finish their contracts. They all get fired or quit. I'm pretty sure it's a way to dodge severance, airfare etc.
Anyway, this time I think it will be me. I won't go into details, but I recently received an e-mail outlining how I have been a poor employee, and how my boss is going to take action for this. (All of his claims are false by the way) My feeling is that it is purely economic, and instead of handling it that way, he decides to fire people. By the way, I received a bonus last month, and he stated in an e-mail that it was for my excellent performance, work ethic and dedication (funny how quickly things change)
So, now to my options: this is where I need help;
I can't see getting any help from the school, like getting a LOR, so does this mean a visa transfer is out of the question?
I will have worked for a week less than 6 months (economics again, I won't get my bs housing deposit money back), so does not having worked 6 months affect my options with KIMMI?
Can I quit, and stay for a period of time to find new employment and then do a visa run?
Can I stay and get my visa changed to a tourist visa? Can I leave and get a tourist visa?
Do I need to cancel my current E-2 myself for any of these options?
Also for all of these options I am considering quiting before I get fired; the work environment has become rather toxic, and instead of the end of May, I am considering leaving at the end of this month. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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Print out the e-mail that says you suck and the one that says you are great. Keep them for evidence if you go the labor board.
6 months-less-a-week is just as bad as an 11 month firing. Labor board, here you come!! |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Leave at your convenience (the day after you get paid is best).
It sounds like you have a rather unscrupulous employer so I would advise against giving any kind of notice (you will just get screwed out of your last month's salary as well as your deposit and anything else they can try to bilk you out of.
Find a cheap flight to the SE Asian nation of your choice (hand in your ARC on the way out to ensure your visa is canceled). Enjoy a vacation (duration of your choice) on the beach (the weather is nice down here - not rainy).
Return and find a new job (or do your job search while you are enjoying the beach). Get your new visa and go to work at the new employer.
GET NEW DOCUMENTS. You can pretty much rest assured that you won't get a LOR.
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Auslegung
Joined: 14 Jan 2009
Location: MB, SC
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:12 am Post subject: |
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I know the kind of director you're talking about, and I'd say ttompatz is right when he says he's "a rather unscrupulous employer." Regardless, speak to him. Be very humble and simply ask for suggestions on how to fix the problems he has with you. Pretend like what he says makes sense, and try to "implement" those changes. The worst that can happen is that you'll still get fired, but you do stand a good chance of 1) learning more about directors, especially the bad kind, 2) learning to speak with and handle those directors, 3) delay your firing, 4) be seen as respectful and diligent, 5) open lines of communication between the director and you, and 6) because of 4 and 5, be allowed to quit and still have a reference.
It's along shot, I'll admit it, and depending on what side of the bed I had gotten up on that day I might not even take my own advice, but it's likely worth the effort. Just remember, your director is going to seem convinced of your ineptitude and speak accordingly, and it will be hard to take when you're convinced of your actual ability. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Auslegung wrote: |
I know the kind of director you're talking about, and I'd say ttompatz is right when he says he's "a rather unscrupulous employer." Regardless, speak to him. Be very humble and simply ask for suggestions on how to fix the problems he has with you. Pretend like what he says makes sense, and try to "implement" those changes. The worst that can happen is that you'll still get fired, but you do stand a good chance of 1) learning more about directors, especially the bad kind, 2) learning to speak with and handle those directors, 3) delay your firing, 4) be seen as respectful and diligent, 5) open lines of communication between the director and you, and 6) because of 4 and 5, be allowed to quit and still have a reference.
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Are you taking the piss?
The worst that can happen isn't just getting fired. He can have a miserable life up until he gets fired. He can also get cheated out of money owed to him. He can also come home one day to find his stuff out on the sidewalk and his locks changed. That's what this type hogwon owner frequently does.
OP. Leave after you get your next salary. You can hang out somewhere cheap nearby (e.g. in Vietnam or Thailand) for a month doing freelance work while you wait to get new docs for Korea. The most you can stay as a tourist is a few weeks, but to get that extension you have to quit (i.e. give notice) and if your boss knows where you live he'll harass you. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Auslegung wrote: |
I know the kind of director you're talking about, and I'd say ttompatz is right when he says he's "a rather unscrupulous employer." Regardless, speak to him. Be very humble and simply ask for suggestions on how to fix the problems he has with you. Pretend like what he says makes sense, and try to "implement" those changes. The worst that can happen is that you'll still get fired, but you do stand a good chance of 1) learning more about directors, especially the bad kind, 2) learning to speak with and handle those directors, 3) delay your firing, 4) be seen as respectful and diligent, 5) open lines of communication between the director and you, and 6) because of 4 and 5, be allowed to quit and still have a reference.
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Are you taking the piss?
The worst that can happen isn't just getting fired. He can have a miserable life up until he gets fired. He can also get cheated out of money owed to him. He can also come home one day to find his stuff out on the sidewalk and his locks changed. That's what this type hogwon owner frequently does.
OP. Leave after you get your next salary. You can hang out somewhere cheap nearby (e.g. in Vietnam or Thailand) for a month doing freelance work while you wait to get new docs for Korea. The most you can stay as a tourist is a few weeks, but to get that extension you have to quit (i.e. give notice) and if your boss knows where you live he'll harass you. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| If the boss was firing you for economic reasons it would make more sense for him to fire you in the 11th month. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: May need to quit |
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| morrisfletcher wrote: |
I work for a hagwan that I have recently found never has any of its foreign teachers finish their contracts. They all get fired or quit. I'm pretty sure it's a way to dodge severance, airfare etc.
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A warning to everyone to research, research and then research some more any employer you're thinking of working for. Speak to former teachers.
I'd start looking for another job right away and tell a few recruiters your story. And this time fully check out the school.
I don't know if the OP has the time an patience (and money) to do it but something should be done about this school. The labor board can be notified and the most daming evidence is that they have fired or forced to quit every NET. If that doesn't raise a red flag to the authorities then they simply don't care but its worth a shot just to nail the SOB. |
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morrisfletcher
Joined: 21 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| asylum seeker wrote: |
| If the boss was firing you for economic reasons it would make more sense for him to fire you in the 11th month. |
This school always fires its teacher at a couple of points; after working two quarters (six month mark) or after three quarters (nine months)......he doesn't do the 11th month thing for two reasons; he probably knows Labor Board will come down on him, and two, he would have to answer to parents as to why there is no teacher for the last month of the quarter. |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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So no one has worked there longer than 9 months or so?
Give us the name of this place, or PM it to me. It needs to be avoided, especially when I'm doing contract reviews. |
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morrisfletcher
Joined: 21 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:06 am Post subject: |
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So no one has worked there longer than 9 months or so?
Give us the name of this place, or PM it to me. It needs to be avoided, especially when I'm doing contract reviews. |
From what I've been able to gather from the one employee who's worked there more than a year, only one FT finished their one year contract......he then refused to pay her severance, and for reasons that required her to leave the country she had no time or the energy to fight the issue.
I will post the name of the school once I'm out of there, but I will PM it to you as soon as I've been paid this month......I agree, people should avoid this place. Unfortunately, the school, the kids, the curriculum, the other teachers, they are excellent. It is all managed by a person who is totally inept to lead anyone though. |
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