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"Fired." 10 days notice. Please help?
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n8shac



Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:47 am    Post subject: "Fired." 10 days notice. Please help? Reply with quote

I work for a corporate company whose name we might all recognize in the Seoul area and perhaps parts of Busan.


The writing on the wall is as follows:


I get called-in for my 4th violation today. A shocking number of violations, to say the least, however it would mean something if employees were actually a priority in my company's market. We have 7 hagwons within view of our front door, one or two in our building, and our student base has been plummeting for the past 18 months. So pardon me if I don't precisely feel that this was necessarily a performance review, in earnest. I have been employed for fewer than 2 months.


I consider myself an honest teacher. I go in, I make the kids a priority, I do my best to respond... occasionally things happen and people get written up. We employ around 10 foreign teachers, they've all been written up and gone through months of intense scrutiny over issues not related to performance but related to cost/benefits in the past. Turnover is not a serious issue here, but employee morale is consistently low.

I've been served notice.

I have until the 15th to vacate my apartment and no recommendation is to be given.

Considering my experience at other hagwons and my conversations with the other staff, there is no serious violation on my part here.


--What are my rights?

--How could I reasonably be expected to find a job within this time frame?


--What legal options could I pursue?


What shocks me most is that the school expects me to work for 9 more days after essentially telling me that I've been fired. This, to me, is incomprehensible. I've been in Korea several years and I've kept my wits about me. Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise, it's my opinion that this is a sinking ship and they just secured me a liferaft. At the same time, I feel deeply betrayed and abused.

What are my options?
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DaHu



Joined: 09 Feb 2011

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People always recommend teaching in China. Please do so legally on a working visa, though.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure they give it to you in writing. Verbal notices don't fly. Why get it in writing? Because if they just tell you that you are fired and you stop coming to work, they can claim that you quit. Get it in writing and then you can take action against them legally.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:18 pm    Post subject: Re: "Fired." 10 days notice. Please help? Reply with quote

n8shac wrote:
I work for a corporate company whose name we might all recognize in the Seoul area and perhaps parts of Busan.


The writing on the wall is as follows:


I get called-in for my 4th violation today. A shocking number of violations, to say the least, however it would mean something if employees were actually a priority in my company's market. We have 7 hagwons within view of our front door, one or two in our building, and our student base has been plummeting for the past 18 months. So pardon me if I don't precisely feel that this was necessarily a performance review, in earnest. I have been employed for fewer than 2 months.

I've been served notice.

I have until the 15th to vacate my apartment and no recommendation is to be given.

1) --What are my rights?

2) --How could I reasonably be expected to find a job within this time frame?

3) --What legal options could I pursue?

What shocks me most is that the school expects me to work for 9 more days after essentially telling me that I've been fired.

What are my options?


quote edited for brevity and clarity.

quick answers to your questions:

1) You essentially have none. Under labor law you are considered a "probationary employee".

2) Make sure you get a LOR from your company. It isn't that hard to find something. Without the LOR you are screwed, will need new documents and a double visa run (one to cancel your current visa (to allow you to obtain a new visa confirmation number) and again to get your new visa).

3) Civil suit for breach of contract (good luck with that one). If your contract requires 30 days notice you may get an extra 20 days pay if you are lucky and they cannot justify "cause". It will cost you more than you will get in return.

Options: Find a new job. Contact a bunch of recruiters ASAP. It shouldn't take long to find something since you are already here.

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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tell your mommy first and go file your complaint to the labor board if you desire. if the labor board doesn't help, file a law suit if you have the coin. Razz

what's the name of hagwon?
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...um...4th violation in less than 2 months? So, pretty much every week or so, you screwed something up badly enough to officially receive notice of it, and have it documented as a violation? ...and yet, somehow you think this is not an accurate assessment of your performance?
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RMNC



Joined: 21 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be condescending, guys.

As ttompatz said, you're too early in your contract to really be able to pull anything out of this one.

The good news is that you're already in Korea and have a visa, which is 80% of the fight. Cut and run with the old hagwon, throw up your resume on Dave's and other sites stating in the title that you need a job ASAP, get in contact with at least 10 recruiters and let them know you need a job by the end of next week. It shouldn't be too hard, you can probably find something by Friday.

But first, tell us right now the name and location of the hagwon you are being let go of so we can warn others to beware. Since you're being fired anyways, who cares?
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FDNY



Joined: 27 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you ain't even got the yarbles to give the company's name on a board not located in Korea under a nickname that is not your one, then I would probably fire your ass to.
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:28 am    Post subject: Re: "Fired." 10 days notice. Please help? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
3) Civil suit for breach of contract (good luck with that one). If your contract requires 30 days notice you may get an extra 20 days pay if you are lucky and they cannot justify "cause". It will cost you more than you will get in return.

For a civil suit? No it won't. Filing fees for a civil suit will run you 2% of the amount you are suing for (ie. W20,000 fee for every million you sue for). Anyone who hires a lawyer in Korea for a civil suit is a sucker.
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cyui



Joined: 10 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What did you violate? Probable cause is not justifiable under esprit de corps..( ie individual judgement of willpower) subjected to Nietzsche Policy.

Tell them to document your *** right to Berlin.
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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: "Fired." 10 days notice. Please help? Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:

quick answers to your questions:

2) Make sure you get a LOR from your company. It isn't that hard to find something. Without the LOR you are screwed, will need new documents and a double visa run (one to cancel your current visa (to allow you to obtain a new visa confirmation number) and again to get your new visa).


He's only be there for 2 months. I don't think that the LOR will be of much (or any) use to him.

OP. Get your documents ready.
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: "Fired." 10 days notice. Please help? Reply with quote

n8shac wrote:
I work for a corporate company whose name we might all recognize in the Seoul area and perhaps parts of Busan.

--What are my rights?

--How could I reasonably be expected to find a job within this time frame?


--What legal options could I pursue?


This happens at "corporate" companies or hogwans. Check your contract to see what it says. However, you are at a disadvantage. To fight them, you have to stay in Korea, which is tough to do without a job. They know this.

There is free legal council in Seoul. I believe that directions are posted on this site.

Have you checked with a recruiter? It will take time to find a reputable school. I don't think 10 days is enough except to find a school that wants any teacher. This type of school may not provide a harmonious long-term work environment.
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Hokie21



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this corporate company start with the letter "A" ?

And what kind of violations? 4 in 2 months seems pretty excessive, you enjoy your drink a bit too much?
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walter235



Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: korea

PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we'll see this increasingly become more common as the economy continues to slide down. Why admit any fault of your own or lack of business when you can blame it on the expendable foreigner? Welcome to Korea! Pack up, move on and blacklist the hell out of the bastards! Good luck to you!
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koreandefence



Joined: 05 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 warnings in 2 months? It seems only one person has taken the time to ask 'what did you do?'
Let me ask you this, if you had someone who every 2 weeks you had to take them aside and give them a warning, would you keep them at your company?

For anyone to give you advice you will need to tell us what you did.

4 times in 2 months, you sound awesome
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