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sadguy
Joined: 13 Feb 2011
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 Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject: what is the point of getting your diploma notarized/apostill |
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a notary just confirms that the person signing the document IS the person signing the document correct? and the apostille just verifies that the notary is in the state system right?
i have a friend who is a notary and i'm asking him if he can notarize my photocopy of the diploma. my cousin can sign the photocopy, correct? |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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It's done to ensure you have a genuine diploma and didn't just buy one.
And yes, if your friend and/or cousin is a registered notary, they can do it. |
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sadguy
Joined: 13 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| but the diploma doesn't get verified in any sort of way. the notary doesn't verify anything, they just verify that the person signing the document is the person signing it. and the apostille only verifies that the notary public is in their registry. the diploma could be a knock off. know what i mean? |
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NYC_Gal 2.0
Joined: 10 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| The notary signs off that the person signing the document swears that it's a legitimate copy, not that the person is who he or she is. It's an oath. Sure, the document could be a knock off, but then the person who swore that it was real is in for a world of trouble. It's about accountability. |
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dharma bum
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| but wouldn't the person be in trouble and held accountable in korea even without the notarization? |
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Mr. Peabody
Joined: 24 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| dharma bum wrote: |
| but wouldn't the person be in trouble and held accountable in korea even without the notarization? |
In 2002, IIRC, all E1 and E2 visa holders were asked to physically take their diplomas to K-Immigration and have them verified. I remember filling out a form where I swore to the authenticity of my degree/diploma. They also asked for my school's web address. At the time, I heard rumors about people with fake degrees were scared to go to Immigration and instead bailed from Korea.
I think the apostille may serve the same purpose; to scare off people who think they can get away with fake degrees.
Immigration cannot be re-verifying every degree and having a fake degree apostilled seems more that possible. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:50 am Post subject: |
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The OP seems to be a bit confused about what a notary does. A notary verifies that a copy of a document is truly a copy of that document. That's why the notary needs to see the original document as well as the copy of the original document.
The person requesting the apostille of the document then sends off the required documents (notarized copy, original if required) to the appropriate authenticating office of the government concerned to get verification that the original document is, in fact, what it's purported to be.
But go ahead, OP. Get your non-notary cousin to sign the copy. And, if you somehow manage to get a visa to come here, let us all know what the detention center's like while you're waiting on deportation if you're lucky. If you're not so lucky, you can write a memoir of your time in a Korean jail. |
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Skippy
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Also please stop using logic! Logic is not appreciated or used when dealing with Korean bureaucracy.
There is always ways to cheat the system as to if it is worth it - hmmm. |
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Peabody wrote: |
| dharma bum wrote: |
| but wouldn't the person be in trouble and held accountable in korea even without the notarization? |
In 2002, IIRC, all E1 and E2 visa holders were asked to physically take their diplomas to K-Immigration and have them verified. I remember filling out a form where I swore to the authenticity of my degree/diploma. They also asked for my school's web address. At the time, I heard rumors about people with fake degrees were scared to go to Immigration and instead bailed from Korea.
I think the apostille may serve the same purpose; to scare off people who think they can get away with fake degrees.
Immigration cannot be re-verifying every degree and having a fake degree apostilled seems more that possible. |
that was actually in 2005, k-immig actually thought they could just ask the school if you graduated without your permission or they could look up on the univ website if you graduated. they couldnt believe there is such a thing as a privacy act.
now i had to sign an authorization for my current univ to verify my degrees, not sure how far that will go because they didnt ask for my ss# |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| That's true of an American notary, but it's not the same everywhere. In Canada it's a way more rigorous process to get something notarized than simply walking into a bank. |
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sadguy
Joined: 13 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
The OP seems to be a bit confused about what a notary does. A notary verifies that a copy of a document is truly a copy of that document. That's why the notary needs to see the original document as well as the copy of the original document.
The person requesting the apostille of the document then sends off the required documents (notarized copy, original if required) to the appropriate authenticating office of the government concerned to get verification that the original document is, in fact, what it's purported to be.
But go ahead, OP. Get your non-notary cousin to sign the copy. And, if you somehow manage to get a visa to come here, let us all know what the detention center's like while you're waiting on deportation if you're lucky. If you're not so lucky, you can write a memoir of your time in a Korean jail. |
what the hell kind of presumptuous post is this? i'm already living in korea, for 3 years.
from nationalnotary.org:
It is the foremost duty of a Notary to screen the signers of particularly sensitive instruments � such as property deeds, wills and powers of attorney � for their true identity, their willingness to sign without duress or intimidation, and their awareness of the general import of the document. Some notarizations also require the Notary to put the signer under an oath declaring under penalty of perjury that the information contained in a document is true and correct. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| I hate to bash the Koreans, but aren't the university transcripts enough? The paper on those things is like American money, plus the coloring which changes color and other stuff. Transcripts are the only thing they can't falsify in Khao San, everything else they can falsify. |
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DaHu
Joined: 09 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:02 am Post subject: |
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My state won't apostille a copy, won't apostille the original diploma, needs a certified copy straight from the university at $100 a pop
I won't be getting an E-2. Wish I would have done this first before wasting all the time and money on the FBI thing. |
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RMNC
Joined: 21 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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You could always get the Dept of State to apostille it.
If you don't get an E-2 then you won't be able to work in Korea. |
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sadguy
Joined: 13 Feb 2011
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| DaHu wrote: |
My state won't apostille a copy, won't apostille the original diploma, needs a certified copy straight from the university at $100 a pop
I won't be getting an E-2. Wish I would have done this first before wasting all the time and money on the FBI thing. |
what state do you live in? |
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