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BobTbuilder



Joined: 25 Apr 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:28 pm    Post subject: Contracts switched Reply with quote

I have just experienced a rather worrying situation with my hagwon. Before I came to Korea I signed a contract that my recruiter sent to me. Among other things this contract included 10 working days vacation and Monday to Friday hours.
Having been here a while I asked my boss when I could take my remaining days having had three in winter. When I showed her my contract she proclaimed that the paper I had was not my contract and produced another one saying this was my contract. This only offers 3 days in winter and 3 in summer. I have already told her that this is not what I agreed to and that it is not acceptable to me but we have not resolved this yet. My recruiter has not been willing to get involved sadly. On top of this I can prove what contract I signed.
I guess this is more a cautionary note to the rest of you to say that you should get a copy of your contract with both party's signatures before you come here.
As for what I am going to do, I think I will have to say that she must agree to give me the time off now before I start looking for another job - a real shame because as hagwon jobs go this one is pretty easy but it looks like my boss isn't going to budge..
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RangerMcGreggor



Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Location: Somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does her copy have your signature on it?
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BobTbuilder



Joined: 25 Apr 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not really established this, but we must have signed the same page to satisfy immigration, no?
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BoholDiver



Joined: 03 Oct 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So this new contract...does it have your signature on it?

If not, it is invalid. If it does and you signed it, boo on you. Suck it up. If your signature is on it and it is forged, call the police.
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BobTbuilder



Joined: 25 Apr 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my signature is NOt on the new contract that's for sure
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad news for her is that the labor standards act stipulates more vacation than offered in her version of the contract and you cannot contract for lower benefits than offered in the ACT (labor law trumps your (or her) contract).

Under the labor standards act, if you have NOT worked a full year you are legally entitled to 1 day of vacation for each calendar month worked PROVIDED your work attendance met the standard.

http://www.moel.go.kr/english/topic/laborlaw_view.jsp?idx=254&tab=Standards

Article 60 (Annual Paid Leave)

(1) An employer shall grant 15 days' paid leave to a worker
who has registered not less than 80 percent of attendance
during one year.

(2) An employer shall grant one day's paid leave per month
to a worker whose consecutive service period is shorter than
one year, if the worker has offered work without an absence
throughout a month.


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BobTbuilder



Joined: 25 Apr 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I saw this on the forum before but couldn't find it, many thanks! I hate to have to resort to this though as she has been generally very nice to me. I guess she was relying on my good will.
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BobTbuilder



Joined: 25 Apr 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this is the case then, why do some employers draft such contracts [with only six days vacation]?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BobTbuilder wrote:
If this is the case then, why do some employers draft such contracts [with only six days vacation]?


Because most newbies don't know any better, have no idea what to do when they get screwed over and the hagwan knows that they can usually get away with it.

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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Bad news for her is that the labor standards act stipulates more vacation than offered in her version of the contract and you cannot contract for lower benefits than offered in the ACT (labor law trumps your (or her) contract).

Under the labor standards act, if you have NOT worked a full year you are legally entitled to 1 day of vacation for each calendar month worked PROVIDED your work attendance met the standard.

http://www.moel.go.kr/english/topic/laborlaw_view.jsp?idx=254&tab=Standards

Article 60 (Annual Paid Leave)

(1) An employer shall grant 15 days' paid leave to a worker
who has registered not less than 80 percent of attendance
during one year.

(2) An employer shall grant one day's paid leave per month
to a worker whose consecutive service period is shorter than
one year, if the worker has offered work without an absence
throughout a month.


.


I am a little dubious of how this works. On two different occasions I have spoken with lawyers about this issue and both of them replied that Saturdays count as a paid day of leave if you are a salaried employee. So in effect you could get zero paid days off except for Saturdays in your first year and that would allowed by law.

I would like to see a case of someone getting the labor board to step in a rule on this issue. Anyone?
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