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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:04 am    Post subject: Going to pull a runner, need advice Reply with quote

So things aren't working out at my new job. Based on various shady things I've noticed having just gotten here.

- They're taking out a 105,000 won "maintenance fee" for my building on top of utilities out of my paycheck... how is this legal if it's not in my contract?
- I still don't have internet in my apartment, and they have kept dragging their feet about sending me to immigration to apply for my ARC (I'm told I can't get cable/internet until I get my ARC because they're too scared to put it under their name)
- Job simply does not compare to my last gig and I already know 1 year here isn't going to work out.

Regarding pulling a runner....

- Does it matter whether or not I have my ARC card with me when I leave? Like I said my hagwon is dragging their feet on me getting mine and there's a possibility I won't even HAVE an ARC card when I leave Korea
- How do I cancel my visa when I leave Korea?
- In terms of finding a new job, what do I tell recruiters? Do I tell them I'm in Korea because I quit my job? Wouldn't that make me a less desirable candidate?

To those with experience, thank you for the feedback.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: Going to pull a runner, need advice Reply with quote

marsavalanche wrote:
So things aren't working out at my new job. Based on various shady things I've noticed having just gotten here.

- They're taking out a 105,000 won "maintenance fee" for my building on top of utilities out of my paycheck... how is this legal if it's not in my contract?
- I still don't have internet in my apartment, and they have kept dragging their feet about sending me to immigration to apply for my ARC (I'm told I can't get cable/internet until I get my ARC because they're too scared to put it under their name)
- Job simply does not compare to my last gig and I already know 1 year here isn't going to work out.

Regarding pulling a runner....

- Does it matter whether or not I have my ARC card with me when I leave? Like I said my hagwon is dragging their feet on me getting mine and there's a possibility I won't even HAVE an ARC card when I leave Korea
- How do I cancel my visa when I leave Korea?
- In terms of finding a new job, what do I tell recruiters? Do I tell them I'm in Korea because I quit my job? Wouldn't that make me a less desirable candidate?

To those with experience, thank you for the feedback.



The maintenance fee is a normal utility in Korea. If your contract specifies that you will pay utilities, then you should pay your maintenance fee. Your amount sounds reasonable.

It is also reasonable for you to get your cable TV after you get your ARC and for you to put it in your own name. Did you put utilities in your own name in your home country?

As to running, you are free to go at any time. However, it would be best for you to go and get your ARC so that you can cancel it on your way out of Korea. How long have you been waiting to get your ARC? You have to get it within 3 months of your arrival.

Maybe someone knows a way to cancel your visa without getting your ARC.
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

100,000 for a maintenance fee seems rather high to me.

We have a family apartment in a new building in a premium area of Seoul, and don't pay that much.

Another thing I don't understand, you haven't gotten an ARC from these people, so why not just go get another job? You have no E-2 visa from them yet, right? Are you working illegally?
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RMNC



Joined: 21 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the consulate gives out the visa, the employer gets the ARC.

I would say the average maintenance fee is around 25-30k. Seems crazy high, but yeah, 99% of the time you have to pay maintenance fees yourself.

No it shouldn't matter. If you DID get one then you would hand it in to immigration, but besides that you should just go up to them with your passport and tell them you're leaving. That should be sufficient for them to cancel your current visa. There may be some legal complications, hopefully ttompatz will see this thread (he is the patron saint of Midnight Runners) and clarify.

Telling a recruiter is up to you. You could always just tell them you came over to find work. Personally, I would probably just lie and make something up. They probably won't even mention it.
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, your post is not really informative enough, it has a vague feel.

If you want good advice, best is to come clean.

Why are they fast and loose with expediting the ARC? They know you can't get internet sans it and I can't believe they want an unhappy teacher on their hands. Unless they really want to unsettle you. Are they still in two minds about you? You give no hint on that.

From your side it's unreasonable to expect them to carry the internet.

The 105000 won over and above monthly utility charge is obviously outrageous.

You are in possession of all the big picture.

And I want you to know that I angle to your side.

But maybe you should stick it out. A coupla bucks here, a coupla bucks there you're losing out on. Don't get mad, get even! Get a private!!! Or privates!!
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nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

105,000 might not be high. It depends where he's at and what kind of building. Personally, I've never paid more than 30 (and even THAT was a ripoff), but my friend lives in a place that's a stones throw away from COEX and she pays something like 90-100 a month, so it's not entirely impossible.

Agree with the others though, more info is needed. I DO like the irony that the original "more info" was posted by someone named "shifty." Nice.
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marsavalanche



Joined: 27 Aug 2010
Location: where pretty lies perish

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shifty wrote:
OP, your post is not really informative enough, it has a vague feel.

If you want good advice, best is to come clean.

Why are they fast and loose with expediting the ARC? They know you can't get internet sans it and I can't believe they want an unhappy teacher on their hands. Unless they really want to unsettle you. Are they still in two minds about you? You give no hint on that.

From your side it's unreasonable to expect them to carry the internet.

The 105000 won over and above monthly utility charge is obviously outrageous.

You are in possession of all the big picture.

And I want you to know that I angle to your side.

But maybe you should stick it out. A coupla bucks here, a coupla bucks there you're losing out on. Don't get mad, get even! Get a private!!! Or privates!!


My building is average. I've already been in Seoul a year and I know the rich areas, and this area is middle class. The 100,000 is BS.

Come clean about what?

I just got here and am hugely disappointed at the surprises/lies that I didn't know about before I boarded the plane.

They are slow with the ARC process because I'm the only E-2 visa at my job. They didn't know that I needed to go to a hospital before getting my ARC (check my previous posts I made a thread about where to go in Korea), and my manager LITERALLY told me (you should have done the hospital check in your home country so you'd have the ARC by now Neutral

They have had E-2's in the past, but for whatever reason they do not know how to go about getting my ARC. I've had to push them constantly about.

"a couple bucks here/there"? I'm losing over 125,000 a month on my salary. That's a lot more than a few bucks.

Not to mention there is a teacher working here illegally, and I worked unpaid prior to the start of my salary for "training" (3 days of which I taught), and it's time to get out of here.
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Swampfox10mm



Joined: 24 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walk right in to immigration and tell them exactly what is up. Especially about the illegal worker. Tell them you are leaving. Schools like this deserve to get busted and fined.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to get a medical check in Korea I think. It doesn't matter if you also got one in your home country.

After you feel you have enough money to leave the school with, go into their office first. Sit there and don't leave. Give them a choice, "Take me now to immigration so we can get my ARC or do it with another teacher."

You are dragging your heels because you aren't being firm with them. ACTION, not promises here. They need to show action.

After you get that straightened out, you can worry about the maintenance fee.
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West Coast Tatterdemalion



Joined: 31 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you have to get real. It's not the Internet connection or the apartment fee. The fact is that you just don't like the school. It wasn't what you wanted and you can't see the point of staying for one year. In that case, just leave. Nothing will happen and the ARC doesn't matter. Just buy the air ticket and go. Really, quite simple.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. ~100,000w maintence fee is the norm in OfficeTel rooms. Those of you who pay ~30-50,000 live in Villas.

2. Internet/Cable companies can not put the account in your name without your ARC. It takes a few weeks to get that ARC card.

3. Your reasons for running are stupid.
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swampfox10mm wrote:
100,000 for a maintenance fee seems rather high to me.


Pretty standard for an officetel. That's about what everyone I work with pays (I pay 90,000).
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yfb



Joined: 29 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
1. ~100,000w maintence fee is the norm in OfficeTel rooms. Those of you who pay ~30-50,000 live in Villas.

2. Internet/Cable companies can not put the account in your name without your ARC. It takes a few weeks to get that ARC card.

3. Your reasons for running are stupid.


This.

No Internet in your apartment? That's real shady, man. I just KNOW they're out to bilk you out of your hard-earned won. Rolling Eyes
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pay 130,000 per month for my maintenance fee, but that includes internet, heating, electricity, and water. So I don't know if those things are included in your bill or not. But yeah, maybe the school was doing you a 'favor' by not showing you the bill, just billing you themselves. But really, they should be showing the bill to you.

Sorry to hear about your situation. Hope you get everything sorted out and can get a new job...
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SeoulNate



Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa

PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you may be jumping the gun a little bit here.

On the maintenance fee. Yes, they can easily be that high. In the four different officetels I have lived in in korea the rates have been: Mokdong: 90,0000, Dongdaemun: 75,000, Ssangmun: 50,000 and Junggye: 78,000. Yes, that is only for building maintenance. And no, no one was ripping me off.

Also, YOU can get the documents together, go to immigration with one of the other teachers and get the ARC. You dont need them to hold your hand during the process, especially if you have been here before.
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