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whiteshirtredtie
Joined: 21 Mar 2011
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 7:19 am Post subject: Help! Contract signed but now advised not to go! |
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Hello!
I recently signed a contract with a small hagwon in Cheonan and I'm currently awaiting my visa. However, the teacher I've been in contact with (the one I'm supposed to replace) just sent me an email saying that she hasn't received her pay and the director is now refusing to speak with her. Also, apparently the director only paid the pension once in the six months the teacher has been there, but she (the teacher) is only finding this out now. So she's advising I don't come there anymore.
The contract has been signed and the visa is on its way, but I don't have a plane ticket yet. What should I do in this case? Can I renege on the contract and not go? |
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ajosshi
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Location: ajosshi.com
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 7:56 am Post subject: Re: Help! Contract signed but now advised not to go! |
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whiteshirtredtie wrote: |
Hello!
I recently signed a contract with a small hagwon in Cheonan and I'm currently awaiting my visa. However, the teacher I've been in contact with (the one I'm supposed to replace) just sent me an email saying that she hasn't received her pay and the director is now refusing to speak with her. Also, apparently the director only paid the pension once in the six months the teacher has been there, but she (the teacher) is only finding this out now. So she's advising I don't come there anymore.
The contract has been signed and the visa is on its way, but I don't have a plane ticket yet. What should I do in this case? Can I renege on the contract and not go? |
don't go.
don't worry about the contract that you signed with the school. they can't touch you.
do you have a visa number? tell the hagwon that you are no longer interested. if the hagwon has not sent your file to kimmi, they will just drop your app. then look for another place. if your file gets processed by kimmi, then you'll have to go through the process of gettng your docs and wait for the visa to expire.
good luck |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Help! Contract signed but now advised not to go! |
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whiteshirtredtie wrote: |
Hello!
I recently signed a contract with a small hagwon in Cheonan and I'm currently awaiting my visa. However, the teacher I've been in contact with (the one I'm supposed to replace) just sent me an email saying that she hasn't received her pay and the director is now refusing to speak with her. Also, apparently the director only paid the pension once in the six months the teacher has been there, but she (the teacher) is only finding this out now. So she's advising I don't come there anymore.
The contract has been signed and the visa is on its way, but I don't have a plane ticket yet. What should I do in this case? Can I renege on the contract and not go? |
The visa is probably in the pipeline, ie the wheels have been set in motion. So I don't think you can willy-nilly drop it and get another job elsewhere in Korea until its term is done. I'm unsure, maybe changed.
The current teacher sounds suspect. She's leaving after 6 months which doesn't exactly add to her aura. Lemme guess, her beloved grandfather is ailing and she has to see him before he dies.
At least the hakwon paid one month's worth of pension. So that showed good intent at some stage. Many if not most hakwons don't pay at all. And if you give this one up you may end up with one of those.
I'm surprised that the much vaunted Pension powers that be receive only one month's payment and then summarily decide not to follow up on subsequent lapsed months.
That they're not paying her notice month is not remarkable in the hakwon industry, more like par for the course. Probably peed off with her.
Also you will be faced with getting all your docs again with the lost earnings this implies.
Therefore I say take the job, have a meeting with boss about the pension and say you'll be keeping a monthly eye on it.
The situation is naturally far from perfect, but on balance that is what I would do.
Can you paste your contract here for a quick squiz? |
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whiteshirtredtie
Joined: 21 Mar 2011
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:29 am Post subject: |
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I'm really unsure what to do. The teacher I've been talking to has been very good about answering all my questions, but she unexpectedly has to return home to the US for some reason.
I'd have to wait a whole year for the visa to expire. Here's my contract:
Employment Contract
This labor contract is made and entered into as of April 29, 2011 by and between ..., herein referred to as the �employer�, and ... herein referred to as the �employee�.
Article 1 Contract Term
1.01 This labor contract will commence on May 20th, 2011 and terminate on May 18, 2012.
1.02 The employee shall work as well as participate in work related activities for the employer when Korean Immigration Officials have issued the employee the appropriate work visa.
Article 2 Work Hours
2.01 The employee will work from 2:30pm until 9:30pm unless mutually agreed upon otherwise by both parties.
2.02 The employee will work a maximum of 35 hours per week as a full-time employee.
2.03 Employee will work Monday through Friday excluding Saturday, Sunday, Korean National Holidays, and annual leave days.
2.04 A work hour will consist of classes 60 minutes in length and preparation between classes.
2.05 The employee may not work outside the place of employment without permission from the employer and Korean Immigration Officials.
Article 3 Job Duties
3.01 The employee must interact in a professional manner with students, teachers, and parents.
3.02 The employee shall spend a minimum of 30 minutes in class preparation before the first class worked.
3.03 The employee will wear clean clothing while casual clothing is acceptable excluding shorts, and clothes with holes in them. Business casual dress is preferred.
Article 4 Wages
4.01 The employer will pay the employee a monthly salary of 2,100,000 Korean won on the 20th of each month throughout the contract term. After 6 months of employment, if agreed upon by both the employer and employee, the monthly salary will increase to 2,200,000 Korean Won.
4.02 In addition to, the employee will be paid the last working months salary upon completion of the contract term.
Article 5 Pay Receipt
5.01 That the employer agrees to provide the employee with a pay receipt on payday stating the nature and amount of all deductions, taxes and salary.
Article 6 Overtime
6.01 Overtime hours offered in excess of 35 hour work week will be paid at a rate of 22,000 Korean Won per hour.
6.02 The employee can reject requests to work overtime hours from the employer without being subjected to punitive measures or dismissal.
Article 7 Tax
7.01 the employer shall make deductions from the employee�s monthly salary for monthly withholding taxes according to Korean Tax Laws.
Article 8 Severance Pay
8.01 Upon the completion of this contract, the employee is to be paid a severance payment as a completion bonus, which is equivalent to one months salary.
Article 9 National Health Insurance Plan
9.01 The employer shall enroll the employee into the National Health Insurance Plan.
9.02 Monthly contributions will be fifty percent (50%) by the employer and fifty percent (50%) by the employee.
9.03 Employer agrees to provide the employee with a health insurance card within thirty (30) calendar days of the employee�s entry into Korea.
Article 10 National Pension Plan
10.1 The employer shall pay fifty percent (50%) of the National Pension Plan and the employee will pay an equal amount that will be deducted from the employee�s monthly salary to be paid to the appropriate agency by the employer.
Article 11 Vacation
11.1 The employee will be entitled to five (5) consecutive days of annual leave in the summer and five (5) consecutive days of annual leave in the winter.
11.2 Annual leave will exclude Saturday, Sunday and Korean National Holidays.
11.3 The employee will observe all Korean National Holidays throughout the contract term. No deductions in pay will occur from the employee�s monthly salary.
Article 12 Airfare
12.1 Upon completion of the labor contract, the employer will provide the employee with a one way airline ticket to the country of origin; �point of hire�.
12.2 If the employee decides to leave the school before the first 3 months of the contract, the said employee will refund the school for the cost of the airline ticket.
Article 13 Housing
13.1 The employer shall provide the employee housing with rent for a furnished single apartment.
13.2 Furnishings provided by the employer will include a bed, washing machine, air conditioner, stove and refrigerator.
13.3 The employee will be liable for the cost of repairs or replacement to furniture damages as a result of negligence.
13.4 Where used furnishings are provided, the employee will not be responsible for replacement of the said furnishings and equipment due to wear and tear from normal use.
13.5 Utilities to be paid by the employee will include electricity, gas, water, and internet. These may be submitted to the employer for assistance in payment.
In witness thereof, both parties have affixed their signatures below:
Employer Name:________________________________
Employer Signature: _____________________________
Date:__________________________________________
Employee Name:_______________________________
Employee Signature:____________________________
Date:_________________________________________ |
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CtotheB
Joined: 03 Sep 2010
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe until you get your ARC card you're in the clear, nothing has been signed yet so there's no documentation in Korea, so you're okay.
That said, the contract you posted looks pretty good, in my opinion, but the whole "not paying" thing is bad juju. Can you get in contact with her again in some way? Try and find out why they aren't paying her, I guess. |
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Hokie21
Joined: 01 Mar 2011
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Of course she's been very helpful in answering your questions, you're her replacement, as soon as you get over there she can bolt! |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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That contract, while not the greatest I have seen, is at least a lot clearer than many I have encountered, and includes some additional vacation time, which isn't very common for hakwons....
There exists the possibility that the teacher leaving has an axe to grind, and is trying to screw the school over by having her replacement bail. This teacher might be lying now, or may indeed be telling the truth, as she sees it...but the fact is, there are two sides to every story.
I'd talk to someone else at the school before ducking out, especially this far into the process. The salary and number of hours are not the greatest, but the vacation, set schedule, and awareness that went into making a clearer contract are postive things, in my opinion. It is worth, at least, confirming the things that this teacher is saying now....
I'm not saying to take the job without checking things out -- just saying that there exists the possibility that this sudden change in attitude might not be completely innocent on the teacher's part, and completely sinsiter on the hakwon's part.
...and yes, I have heard bitter teachers lying about a job, just to try to screw a school over. It has happened to me, and it has happened around me.... |
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Knucklehead
Joined: 06 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Is the boss' name Toben? |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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thegadfly wrote: |
I'd talk to someone else at the school before ducking out, especially this far into the process. |
The problem here is that it is a small haggie with doubtless only one NET.
Means OP will have to speak to a previous teacher whose contact details usually are given by the departing teacher.
Unfortunately for fear of her version being gainsaid this departing teacher will put obstacles in the way of access to previous encumbent. Doesn't matter, since it's too late for this kind of messing about.
OP, you will have to call the director from home country and clarify the 60 mins a class. Just tell the director you want 50 mins a class and 10 mins turnaround time. The director is sure to be fine with it.
Otherwise a sweet deal. What did you do to get so lucky? |
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ajosshi
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Location: ajosshi.com
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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whiteshirtredtie wrote: |
I'd have to wait a whole year for the visa to expire. |
90 days |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Location: somewhere in China
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 2:00 am Post subject: |
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I was in a similar situation. I got a visa for a GEPIK job through Uijeongbu office (Ilsan job). 2 weeks after receiving the passport in the mail at another school, things went sour. I also got in contact with the previous teacher and she said I shouldn't have signed the contract. They refused to pay her flight money home (among other legit complaints).
I found another school, this one in Incheon, and we went to the Incheon immigration office and they just treated it as if I was going to that school instead of the one in Ilsan.
I think the key to this was that I didn't work yet at the Ilsan school. So, the Incheon school was able to sign a contract and submit that to immigration.
I got a transfer of location and they updated my ARC card. I was out in 20 minutes. |
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nw25th
Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 3:11 am Post subject: |
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CtotheB wrote: |
Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe until you get your ARC card you're in the clear, nothing has been signed yet so there's no documentation in Korea, so you're okay.
That said, the contract you posted looks pretty good, in my opinion, but the whole "not paying" thing is bad juju. Can you get in contact with her again in some way? Try and find out why they aren't paying her, I guess. |
I would think it doesn't matter until you get an actual VISA put into your passport. Pretty sure it doesn't count against you for just applying for visas... |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 6:31 am Post subject: |
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The school didn't pay wages due and skipped out of 5 out of 6 months of pension payments and there are people on this board recommending the OP still work for this hogwon?!?!?
OP, where there's smoke there's fire. If a hogwon is willing to lie about something as basic as salary nothing in the contract can be trusted. Unless not taking this job will leave you homeless on the streets of your home country, do not take this job. If you can't get out of the visa, then find another country to work in.
You do NOT want to fly half-way around the world to work for a boss who feels that paying salary is optional. I don't care what the justification is.
Don't. Do. It. |
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whiteshirtredtie
Joined: 21 Mar 2011
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Hey! I heard from the incumbent teacher again and she said that I should 100% not come there. She says the director only reported her working there since January although she's been there since November and that she's refuses to pay her last month's wages.
I'm pretty upset about the situation since it's so late in the process but now I'm thinking I may just have to go to a different country. I don't know....
One thing that also got me wondering was that a few days ago the director (her name is Julie) emailed me asking if I could buy the plane ticket instead, and that she would reimburse me when I got there since she believes it's easier to get a ticket here in the States. I told her I can't afford it and she said she'd give me a call this week.
So, let me be clear on this - although I applied for this visa with this school's details I can still find another school and start working there? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 8:08 am Post subject: |
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whiteshirtredtie wrote: |
Hey! I heard from the incumbent teacher again and she said that I should 100% not come there. She says the director only reported her working there since January although she's been there since November and that she's refuses to pay her last month's wages.
I'm pretty upset about the situation since it's so late in the process but now I'm thinking I may just have to go to a different country. I don't know....
One thing that also got me wondering was that a few days ago the director (her name is Julie) emailed me asking if I could buy the plane ticket instead, and that she would reimburse me when I got there since she believes it's easier to get a ticket here in the States. I told her I can't afford it and she said she'd give me a call this week.
So, let me be clear on this - although I applied for this visa with this school's details I can still find another school and start working there? |
Discuss the whole situation with the school if you think you might still come after all you heard. Life is an adventure. It is possible that the problem is with the teacher and not the school. Everything could be fine for you. It is possible that you will come and not get paid. This situation is very risky now, so most wouldn't take the risk. However, if you do, at least have the school prepay your airfare and make sure you have enough cash for a ticket back home.
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Tell the school you won't be coming.
Then you can start to look for a new job in Korea.
You will need another apostiled background check and apostiled copy of your diploma. You will have to submit all the documents over again.
You will have to wait 90 days for your current visa to expire, but it may take that long to get documents together and find another job.
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Maybe you can go to work in another country sooner. You have to find that job too, of course, and jump through whatever hoops are required by that country.
Good luck. |
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