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On the other hand
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 Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 8:41 am Post subject: Another white, first-world messiah nailed to the cross |
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Greg Mortenson, best-selling author, philanthropist, mountaineer and favourite of President Barack Obama is fighting off another title: fraudster. The influential author of Three Cups of Tea has become the latest bestselling memoir writer to be accused of passing off fiction as fact.
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The guy built a bunch of schools in Afghanistan, mostly for female students. Wrote a book about it, hit the lecture circuit, got a few gigs lecturing at US military academies, saying all the right things about female empowerment etc.
Now 60 Minutes says he's a fraud, or at least that significant portions of his memoirs are. And he hasn't built half the schools he claims to have built. And he spends his charity's money like a drunken sailor.
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rollo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| SAD SAD Sad!!! Maybe the publicity around this will cause people to do something to help those schools. Some good could come out of this. |
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lithium
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:39 am Post subject: Re: Another white, first-world messiah nailed to the cross |
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Greg Mortenson, best-selling author, philanthropist, mountaineer and favourite of President Barack Obama is fighting off another title: fraudster. The influential author of Three Cups of Tea has become the latest bestselling memoir writer to be accused of passing off fiction as fact.
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The guy built a bunch of schools in Afghanistan, mostly for female students. Wrote a book about it, hit the lecture circuit, got a few gigs lecturing at US military academies, saying all the right things about female empowerment etc.
Now 60 Minutes says he's a fraud, or at least that significant portions of his memoirs are. And he hasn't built half the schools he claims to have built. And he spends his charity's money like a drunken sailor.
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Must you bash Christians with your inappropriate title? |
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ED209
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Another white, first-world messiah nailed to the cross |
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Must you bash Christians with your inappropriate title? |
You're joking, right? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Another white, first-world messiah nailed to the cross |
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| ED209 wrote: |
| lithium wrote: |
Must you bash Christians with your inappropriate title? |
You're joking, right? |
I can't decide if the dude is a troll or not. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not finding Mortenson's defense all that credible.
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Mortenson's written response continued:
It is important to know that Balti people have a completely different notion about time. Even the Balti language -- an archaic dialect of Tibetan -- has only a vague concept of tenses and time. For example, "now" can mean immediately or sometime over the course of a whole long season. The concept of past and future is rarely of concern. Often tenses are left out of discussion, although everyone knows what is implied. And if a person is a day or a week late or early it doesn't matter. The Balti consider the western notion of time quite amusing.
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I'm always a little skeptical when someone chimes up with "People in that culture find our western notions of [whatever is being discussed] quite amusing". It usually sets these sorts of alarm bells off in my head.
And really. Do concepts of time really vary THAT much between cultures? I would imagine that, even in cultures where it's more acceptable to show up late, people would still know the difference between "He said Tuesday, but came on Wednesday", and "He said Tuesday, and came on Tuesday".
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:18 am Post subject: |
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I would imagine that, even in cultures where it's more acceptable to show up late, people would still know the difference between "He said Tuesday, but came on Wednesday", and "He said Tuesday, and came on Tuesday".
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not necessarily |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:19 am Post subject: |
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I would imagine that, even in cultures where it's more acceptable to show up late, people would still know the difference between "He said Tuesday, but came on Wednesday", and "He said Tuesday, and came on Tuesday".
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not necessarily |
I'm certainly open to being wrong on that. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Another white, first-world messiah nailed to the cross |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| ED209 wrote: |
| lithium wrote: |
Must you bash Christians with your inappropriate title? |
You're joking, right? |
I can't decide if the dude is a troll or not. |
Judge not, lest you also be judged (or something along those lines):
http://www.blackjesus.com/
(^wow - I'm not sure if I've seen the light but there's a helluva lot going on over there.
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| Why are so many people afraid of the truth? What is this fear of dark skin and where does it come from? |
Travel Zen, is that you? |
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Fox
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caniff
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In the interests of not being labeled a vomit-inducing racist I'll go along with the Black-inspired Greek philosophy FACT, but I have to say that the BlackJesus site I just stumbled across is a veritable goldmine/bottomless pit of thread-worthy material.
I'm not gonna touch it, I'm just saying.
Big Edit: Wait a minute, Fox. "The Blacks love me." - didn't Donald Trump just catch a rash of shit for saying that?
We say "African-Americans", even if neither you or the people in question are American, am I right?
If this is some kind of a trick well then you'll have to wake up more early in the middle of the night to fool old caniff. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:01 am Post subject: |
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For what it's worth, a while back some anthropologists and tech-geeks did a visual reconstruction based on a semitic skull found near Jerusalem, dating from around the first century. This is what they came up with.
Not quite black as we understand the idea. But then, not exactly the Nordic Avenger either.
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northway
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| In other words he looked pretty much the same as most modern inhabitants of the region that didn't descend from Ashkenazi heritage? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, more Yasser Arafat than Tzipi Livni. |
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legrande
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