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the oak llama
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 Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:42 pm Post subject: Buying a motorcycle with NO papers? |
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| I just bought a 125cc daelim motorcycle without papers/plates from a foreigner who had been riding it illegally for a year. I have the proper license for it, but i wouldn't mind having the proper registration as well. Does anyone know how I would go about getting it registered in my name and getting plates for it? I have no title, no transfer papers, no 'in gam jung myung suh' - just the bike. Is it even possible? |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a motorcycle with NO papers? |
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| the oak llama wrote: |
| I just bought a 125cc daelim motorcycle without papers/plates from a foreigner who had been riding it illegally for a year. I have the proper license for it, but i wouldn't mind having the proper registration as well. Does anyone know how I would go about getting it registered in my name and getting plates for it? I have no title, no transfer papers, no 'in gam jung myung suh' - just the bike. Is it even possible? |
No.
My advice: don't get into an accident.
Good luck. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:00 am Post subject: |
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its possible but very difficult and sometimes risky. usually you need to hand in the old plate at the cop shop and theyll do a check to see if it hasnt been stolen. then they give you the all clear/papers.
you can get the form for the cops from most motorcycle service repair centres.
if you dont have plates i can imagine it would be a big pain in the ass. best find someone who speaks korean and go either to the cops or the office for transport in your local area.
my advice would be the same as the previous - dont get into an accident (you can get insurance without a plate though) and wear a helmet - the cops may leave you alone... |
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allovertheplace
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:12 am Post subject: |
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well any advice about a bike should beging with dont get in an accident.
I rode a 125 for a year with no plates but wore a helmet and was never bothered by the cops. I spent 700,000 on it and figured if they took it Id still be ok. |
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Richard Krainium
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| allovertheplace wrote: |
well any advice about a bike should beging with dont get in an accident.
I rode a 125 for a year with no plates but wore a helmet and was never bothered by the cops. I spent 700,000 on it and figured if they took it Id still be ok. |
You gambled and didn't lose. There will be no winners at this game. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm going to guess that you also don't have the proper driver's license to ride that around. If not, add that huge fine to the other fines you'll have when you get in an accident or get stopped in Seoul on their random bike license checks. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, such lack of responsibility. I hope this isn't reflective of most of the riders here. |
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BreakfastInBed
Joined: 16 Oct 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
its possible but very difficult and sometimes risky. usually you need to hand in the old plate at the cop shop and theyll do a check to see if it hasnt been stolen. then they give you the all clear/papers.
you can get the form for the cops from most motorcycle service repair centres.
if you dont have plates i can imagine it would be a big pain in the ass. best find someone who speaks korean and go either to the cops or the office for transport in your local area. |
This doesn't work here unfortunately. It makes too much sense. I did it in the U.S. when I bought a bike without a title. I think there was both a frame and an engine number that had to be checked. But I was in the op's exact situation here a couple of years ago and people looked at me like I was crazy when I asked how to go about getting new papers for a bike. The folks at the big bike shop in my town flat out told me it couldn't be done and the cops just scratched their heads.
It's possible, but a real headache. My wife had to track down the last owner to have the bike registered in his name. This required going to the shop that sold the bike to my friend, whom I got it from, and talking them into telling us where they got it. My wife, persuasive woman that she is, learned the former owner's name and from there was able to get a phone number. We were really lucky so far, in that the guy hadn't moved and was the only one with that name in our area. Had he moved to another town or province it is doubtful we'd have ever been able to find him. Our luck ran out, however, in that the guy wasn't very interested in helping us. It turns out he had given the bike to the shop to be scrapped or parted out, and he wasn't pleased to learn that they had rebuilt the engine and resold it instead. 30 thousad won and some smooth talking by my wife brought him around eventually, and he accompanied her to whatever office they needed to go to, where he had to sign and stamp some forms verifying that he was no longer the owner of the bike, and that it was ours as far as he was concerned.
So that was that. Was it worth it? Well, for me it was, just for the peace of mind. Also, my wife did the lion's share of the work. Hell, she did all the work. The guy I got it from rode it for a year without plates or registration and never had a problem though, so if you ride responsibly and don't draw attention to yourself that is probably the way to go. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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I can believe that it would be difficult here.
What would someone do though if they rebuilt a bike? e.g. if they put the motor from one bike on the frame of another? From the number of accidents that I've heard about, this must happen quite a bit. If someone totaled the frame but the engine was ok, surely they (or someone else) would put the engine on another frame. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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i concur with 'breakfast in bed' - you also need the previous drivers/owners to put thier name to the bike on the papers. This may be difficult becasue the bike may have outstanding endorsements etc.
However I would add, if you get caught without insurance, licence plates or a bike being registered to yourself without insuranc etc. or any combination of those things - Im pretty sure you wont just get a fine, Ive known of 2 people who were deported for this (E2 visa revoked).
Its easy to say 'dont get into an accident' but if you dont, youre very lucky. Im not trying to slur this country but people have a lot to learn about driving here (looking over thier shoulder for blind spots for example). I dont know a single person that hasnt had a bump (except myself).
Id say - if you like it here, its not worth the risk of getting the boot just to save 100 bucks on a bike. Get one with papers. The cops are getting canny to people riding without the right bits and bobs. |
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Italy37612
Joined: 25 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I find it extremely difficult to believe they got deported just for lack of papers or plate... even insurance. Odds are if you get in an accident on your bike and you have no insurance the only person that is going to get injured and sued is person on the bike. They must have done something else to deserve such a harsh reaction of deportation. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Location: dans la chambre
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Anything that you got o court for is an instant cancellation of your E2 visa - if it was a korean they would get a fine. The police dont like people riding around on bikes without them being registered and having no insurance. If youve got plates and no insurance you will probably get a fine (i know this happens too from personal experience) but id also say in expereince that the bigger the bike - the greater the penalty.
I do know someone in seoul that got deported for driving without the correct plates and having no insurance. But its your choice if you want to choose to ignore the law... |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| Anything that you got o court for is an instant cancellation of your E2 visa. |
While I think the OP should get a legal bike, I know that going to court doesn't always mean you lose your visa. Most road violations are handled through fines, not courts. |
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fitta
Joined: 31 Aug 2009
Location: ROK
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:11 pm Post subject: bike papers |
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| I must admit, that having ridden here for over 3 years, I feel better when my bike has the proper insurance. While the police have stopped me a few times, they have never done more than run the plates to check if the bike is stolen. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Wow, such lack of responsibility. I hope this isn't reflective of most of the riders here. |
If it is, will you be ... disappointed? |
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