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Time Travel Hopes Dashed--or are they?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:11 pm    Post subject: Time Travel Hopes Dashed--or are they? Reply with quote

You may want to put plans for building that flux capacitor on hold: A "toy" big bang created in the lab suggests time travel may not be possible after all.

In a new study, Igor Smolyaninov and Yu-Ju Hung of the University of Maryland simulated the birth of the universe using advanced materials that can bend light in unusual ways.

Their device supports the idea that the forward marching "arrow of time" cannot curve back on itself to undo events that have already happened.

So far time travel hasn't been possible in real life, Smolyaninov said, and this new material suggests it won't ever be possible.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/04/110427-time-travel-not-possible-physics-big-bang-space-science/

Being disappointed (but not dissuaded), I was led to this article: 'When Science is Unfavorable, Attack the Scientist', which seems appropriate when you consider contemporary political news.

http://www.american.com/archive/2011/april/milwaukees-best-no-longer

For the time being I'm going to keep my fingers crossed--because that is a time-proven way of altering the universe--and keep hoping that science just isn't advanced enough at this point to master the rules of time travel.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious, what made you think that you'd ever be allowed to possess it if time travel existed? Nobody would be insane or stupid enough to let anyone else have this kind of power.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only time travel humans will experience will be to the future, a one-way ticket punched by cryogenics.
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even that won't work. Once someone is dead freezing them only ruins the body further, as the water in our body freezes, expands and destroys most of our cells.

But time isn't real anyways, it's just a man-made device to help explain transiency in the universe. In reality there's no such thing as the past of the future, just things that happened and things that are likely to happen. Time is some sort of nebulous jelly that we can go through, once I move my cup from the left to the right, there's not some kind of trail that I can follow that shows where it was, it's simply changed positions. In reality, every moment is the past, present and the future. You can't go back because you're already there. Time is relative and only used to help perceive the changes that surround us.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

recessiontime wrote:
Curious, what made you think that you'd ever be allowed to possess it if time travel existed? Nobody would be insane or stupid enough to let anyone else have this kind of power.


Question
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ZIFA



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time travel is theoretically possible, surely- if you are able to make it to space and back very quickly you would gain several minutes.


In any case..doesn't time bend through the universe? I mean subject to gravity and lightspeed. It may even be circular.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RMNC wrote:
But time isn't real anyways, it's just a man-made device to help explain transiency in the universe. In reality there's no such thing as the past of the future, just things that happened and things that are likely to happen.


Yeah, time isn't real, its just one of the two necessary dimensions upon which man encounters and registers all experience.

Huh?
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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RMNC wrote:
But time isn't real anyways,... In reality there's no such thing as the past of the future,

What is reality?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Space Bar wrote:
RMNC wrote:
But time isn't real anyways,... In reality there's no such thing as the past of the future,

What is reality?


Many have noticed you've have problems with that concept before. Wink
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZIFA wrote:
Time travel is theoretically possible, surely- if you are able to make it to space and back very quickly you would gain several minutes.


In any case..doesn't time bend through the universe? I mean subject to gravity and lightspeed. It may even be circular.


You didn't read the article, did you?

In the toy model, the equivalent of time travel would be for a plasmons to complete a loop that runs along the exact same path it had previously traveled. But once the plasmon has strayed from that path�due in part to entropy�making the loop is no longer possible.

The result, described in a paper published this month on arXiv.org, suggests that particles in our universe may also be unable to move backward in time.


But don't worry, other scientists quoted in the article reject the findings. There is still hope that you can unburn your toast.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
ZIFA wrote:
Time travel is theoretically possible, surely- if you are able to make it to space and back very quickly you would gain several minutes.


In any case..doesn't time bend through the universe? I mean subject to gravity and lightspeed. It may even be circular.


You didn't read the article, did you?

In the toy model, the equivalent of time travel would be for a plasmons to complete a loop that runs along the exact same path it had previously traveled. But once the plasmon has strayed from that path�due in part to entropy�making the loop is no longer possible.

The result, described in a paper published this month on arXiv.org, suggests that particles in our universe may also be unable to move backward in time.


But don't worry, other scientists quoted in the article reject the findings. There is still hope that you can unburn your toast.


U seem to be a little testy these days Yata. Laughing
Don't worry we know youre a nice guy really.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RMNC wrote:
Even that won't work. Once someone is dead freezing them only ruins the body further, as the water in our body freezes, expands and destroys most of our cells.

But time isn't real anyways, it's just a man-made device to help explain transiency in the universe. In reality there's no such thing as the past of the future, just things that happened and things that are likely to happen. Time is some sort of nebulous jelly that we can go through, once I move my cup from the left to the right, there's not some kind of trail that I can follow that shows where it was, it's simply changed positions. In reality, every moment is the past, present and the future. You can't go back because you're already there. Time is relative and only used to help perceive the changes that surround us.


cryogenics is not about turning people into ice cubes.

It is about slowing down metabolism to almost nill.
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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If time travel were possible, wouldn't we meet people from the future? Just sayin'.
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whitestboyalive



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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you know that when standing upright, your head is traveling in time slightly faster than your feet?

Anyways, it seems as if traveling in time backwards would require a change in the laws of the universe: ie. more energy than it took to create the Big Bang in the first place. So, yeah, probably impossible.

But it makes great sci-fi. Wink
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ED209



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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2011 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

whitestboyalive wrote:
Did you know that when standing upright, your head is traveling in time slightly faster than your feet?


Is this why my face is more wrinkly than my feet?

Anyway, I chose to ignore science on this one and cling to my Back to the future DVDs.
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