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Still age discrimination going on?
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:03 am    Post subject: Still age discrimination going on? Reply with quote

I used to hear a lot about this in the past. Some of the older public school teachers got flushed out during the recession. But I also know of some that were hired recently. (But not many.) I wonder how it is in Seoul. Hiring older can definately mean mature and taking the job more seriously. But I wonder how things are in Seoul area nowadays. I'm still sort of young but will probably be getting in an older range in the next year or two. (Though I am said to look younger and be decent looking.) Accumulated some extra debts which force me to keep staying. But wonder if I will face discrimination as I get into my middle or even later 30's.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean hogwans, public schools, etc.
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Hokie21



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look, lets not pretend like you're going to be in your mid 30's in a year or two. Your name is Weigookin74, which most likely means you were born in 1974, which makes you 37. Don't be ashamed.
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hokie21 wrote:
Look, lets not pretend like you're going to be in your mid 30's in a year or two. Your name is Weigookin74, which most likely means you were born in 1974, which makes you 37. Don't be ashamed.


Good guess, but the number came from a lucky number; long story. So, I'm actually a bit younger than the name suggests but not by much. Anyways, how are things in Seoul nowadays? I've been here for about 4 years and want to move in a year or so. But not sure what issues I'll deal with. On the personal front, I still seem to attract 20 something women. So, I look younger than my age. So how do many hogwans and other employers really view things up there?
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Hokie21



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weigookin74 wrote:
Hokie21 wrote:
Look, lets not pretend like you're going to be in your mid 30's in a year or two. Your name is Weigookin74, which most likely means you were born in 1974, which makes you 37. Don't be ashamed.


Good guess, but the number came from a lucky number; long story. So, I'm actually a bit younger than the name suggests but not by much. Anyways, how are things in Seoul nowadays? I've been here for about 4 years and want to move in a year or so. But not sure what issues I'll deal with. On the personal front, I still seem to attract 20 something women. So, I look younger than my age. So how do many hogwans and other employers really view things up there?


Haha ok. I was just giving you a hard time. I'll let ya know once I get over to Seoul in two weeks.
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chrisinkorea2011



Joined: 16 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

actually i have heard that it depends on the place, company/school/hagwon, etc that hires you. some places like an older person as it gives a feeling of maturity opposed to someone who is just out of college and looking to cut loose.

then again if you look at a lot of job postings,you can see that some schools strictly want a woman foreigner. chalk this up to thinking that women are more calm, gentle, etc or the company being plain old sexist lol

good luck in whate ver u get but if you are a good teacher then i dont think u should worry too much
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definitely maybe



Joined: 16 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hokie21 wrote:
Weigookin74 wrote:
Hokie21 wrote:
Look, lets not pretend like you're going to be in your mid 30's in a year or two. Your name is Weigookin74, which most likely means you were born in 1974, which makes you 37. Don't be ashamed.


Good guess, but the number came from a lucky number; long story. So, I'm actually a bit younger than the name suggests but not by much. Anyways, how are things in Seoul nowadays? I've been here for about 4 years and want to move in a year or so. But not sure what issues I'll deal with. On the personal front, I still seem to attract 20 something women. So, I look younger than my age. So how do many hogwans and other employers really view things up there?


Haha ok. I was just giving you a hard time. I'll let ya know once I get over to Seoul in two weeks.


Wow! You're not even here yet? Way to get in the mix, Castrated Turkey 21! You'll fit in just fine on this board.
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The whole world likes youth, really, Korea maybe more brazen about it.

The abiding question is: can you afford to expend yours on Korea? Maybe you can, with your personal lifestyle choices and goals dovetailing with the expat life.

But for many, prime years blown in Korea can mean ramifications for settled relationships and meaningful careers.

Back in home country again, and in corridor awaiting job interview, you're gonna have to straighten your back and affect violent spasms of the neck. Anything to look dynamic and divert attention from what it says on your resume.

Your OP question essentially is; do you in your dotage deserve Korea?

Whereas the question should be, does Korea deserve a man who is prepared to sacrifice his best years for it?
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young_clinton



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2011 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect that over 30 means you can forget Seoul or Busan. I'm really not sure though. If you have a teaching job in Korea and are getting paid, and they want to resign you on, I would suggest you do it. Because it is just as bad or worse in other places in Asia when it comes to age. In Thailand, international schools (licensed in home country, or Masters) or agencies that hire for parochial schools will hire someone who is older and thats it
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sojusucks



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read some of the ads. Discrimination is rampant and open against many different kinds of potential teachers.
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Hokie21



Joined: 01 Mar 2011

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

definitely maybe wrote:
Hokie21 wrote:
Weigookin74 wrote:
Hokie21 wrote:
Look, lets not pretend like you're going to be in your mid 30's in a year or two. Your name is Weigookin74, which most likely means you were born in 1974, which makes you 37. Don't be ashamed.


Good guess, but the number came from a lucky number; long story. So, I'm actually a bit younger than the name suggests but not by much. Anyways, how are things in Seoul nowadays? I've been here for about 4 years and want to move in a year or so. But not sure what issues I'll deal with. On the personal front, I still seem to attract 20 something women. So, I look younger than my age. So how do many hogwans and other employers really view things up there?


Haha ok. I was just giving you a hard time. I'll let ya know once I get over to Seoul in two weeks.


Wow! You're not even here yet? Way to get in the mix, Castrated Turkey 21! You'll fit in just fine on this board.


Thanks!
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen people in their 40s, 50s and 60s work in Korea so the real age discrimination starts around 50, in my opinion.
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The Great Toad



Joined: 12 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew 2 guys who got kicked to the curb in Epik both ole fellows - I think both were good teachers - one was very well loved / tuaght in Uni/H. S. .... however both guys were 50ish maybe even in the 60s? never asked their ages .... then when the renew time came up apparently rumor was (from other teachers who new them - more than one so good based rumor) they wanted to be there but both got the boot for being oldsters - one guy had like 2-4 weeks left thinking he was in good shape to renew and they said noooo u be old.... I am not gonna say where it was as Carl Kwan taught me not to say naughty things about Pub Sk00ls.... opps I guess I just did... sorry Carl...

Anyhow I still have a job here but even though Lasses say I am sooo young I have vowed and so far succefully stopped dating University Lasses even though they have the best of all classes when it comes to being kind and liking my huge and brillant English vocab skillz.

But here is my picture still looking good huh-

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-3y3kYPVnqE/TSuMjKzViYI/AAAAAAAAAI8/sMqheILMzW4/s320/ff.jpg
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isitts



Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
I've seen people in their 40s, 50s and 60s work in Korea so the real age discrimination starts around 50, in my opinion.


I second this. Some guy near retirement age just got hired at a hagwon in my city. I've seen much older teachers here than in Japan or Taiwan.

If you're only in your 30s, I wouldn't worry about it.
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vDroop



Joined: 25 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

30s should be fine. But make no mistake about it, if there 2 candidates, yourself, and an early 20's thin and pretty girl with a smile, guess who's getting the job.

Timing is also everything. For a hakwon looking to quickly fill a gap in their foreign staff, they will take almost anyone. They often don't plan on teachers leaving after their contract is up, and they really wait for the last minute to do anything.
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