Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

In Defense of Tae Kwon Do: Cyrus Washington

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Off-Topic Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
SinclairLondon



Joined: 17 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 8:03 pm    Post subject: In Defense of Tae Kwon Do: Cyrus Washington Reply with quote

Obviously, he fights Thai style and utilizes his hands from years of western boxing, but he is strongly rooted in Tae Kwon Do, which he uses to throw off (and anger Muay Thai purists) his Muay Thai opponents, often resulting in KOs.

I've seen him a fight a couple of fights, and those axe kicks and spinning back kicks, which are rare in sport Muay Thai, come out of nowhere.

He will be fighting a Brazilian fighter in Vegas next month.

Check him out:

http://www.youtube.com/user/CyrusWashington
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
SinclairLondon



Joined: 17 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2011 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And he is the reason I dislike these MMA for Kids programs, obvious scams to piggy back on the success of the sport. I like to see fighters, like GSP who is rooted in Karate, or Korean fighters who grew up doing Judo like their American counterparts with Wrestling, than a streamlined MMA program for young people.

Karate, TKD, BJJ, Sambo, Boxing and Wrestling can give fighters a better edge, and an appreciation for their particular art at an early age.

And having lived in Korea, where we often deride TKD as ineffective in a street fight, ring or cage, its cool to see someone like Cyrus proving that the reverse is true.

Expect big things for him as he also trains MMA, and has a pending Vegas fight, two bare knuckle fights in Burma coming up and fights coming in Thailand, where he will continue to display is Hankuk skills as a fighter and KI/Muay Thai instructor.

Would like to see him fight in Korea, too.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
riverboy



Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2011 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy can fight. He's got some classic taekwondo moves and some devastatng Muai Thai.

If you asked me six or seven years ago if teakwondo was practical, I'd say no.

After studying it for six years, I'vecome to understand that taekwodno is a waterdowned version of a very effective, and fpotentially brutal form of self defense.

Taekwondo has the advandage of speed and distance with the feet over almost all martial arts.

The problem with TKD is that it had to adopt and adapt to become an olympic sport; it lost its practical violence and only permitted kicks; eliminating punches and the more devastating strikes that you only see on poomse. The fighters have to adhere to a form of fighting that relies on very technical kicks that were designed for other forms of combat other than one on one fighting

It suffers from a lack of use of the hands and a more ritualistice fighitng style. That being said, from a guy with a bit of a fighting background, Taekwond still retains a lot of very practical moves. It is up to the student to learn how to adapt them to be truly effective.

That being said..............


This guy is a great striker, but his grappling is weak at this point. He has two MMA fights and was submitted two times.

If you want to see a good transition from taekwondo to MMA, check out John Makdessi.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
no_tofu_speed



Joined: 16 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not MMA but K1. Serkan Yilmaz.
I still think this is the best example of TKD used for "real fighting"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S32txeAYYPw
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
chrisinkorea2011



Joined: 16 Jan 2011

PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

riverboy wrote:
The guy can fight. He's got some classic taekwondo moves and some devastatng Muai Thai.

If you asked me six or seven years ago if teakwondo was practical, I'd say no.

After studying it for six years, I'vecome to understand that taekwodno is a waterdowned version of a very effective, and fpotentially brutal form of self defense.

Taekwondo has the advandage of speed and distance with the feet over almost all martial arts.

The problem with TKD is that it had to adopt and adapt to become an olympic sport; it lost its practical violence and only permitted kicks; eliminating punches and the more devastating strikes that you only see on poomse. The fighters have to adhere to a form of fighting that relies on very technical kicks that were designed for other forms of combat other than one on one fighting

It suffers from a lack of use of the hands and a more ritualistice fighitng style. That being said, from a guy with a bit of a fighting background, Taekwond still retains a lot of very practical moves. It is up to the student to learn how to adapt them to be truly effective.

That being said..............


This guy is a great striker, but his grappling is weak at this point. He has two MMA fights and was submitted two times.

If you want to see a good transition from taekwondo to MMA, check out John Makdessi.


it depends on your style of taekwondo, because in ITF you ARE allowed to use punches and strike to the head. i think the WTF style is bad because if you up close and personal u are done. TKD is used in what i call long style, that is something used to keep distance and using the feet for attacks. medium styles would be like karate, muay thai etc, and close would be aikido, jiujutsu, judo, etc. i think tKD is a good starting point, but a person should move on to other styles to keep versatile. I studied TKD for 10 years and during that time studied various other styles to keep a mix up. believe me when i say that having more than 1 style while at tournaments and fighting gives u a DEFINITE edge ^_^
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
SinclairLondon



Joined: 17 Sep 2010

PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2011 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This should be an interesting fight....

Muay Thai prospect Cyrus Washington is set to square off against former It's Showtime fighter and champion Cosmo Alexandre next month for Lion Fight Promotions. The two will clash at 160lbs on May 14th, the following is from Lion Fights' press release.

Cosmo "Good Boy" Alexandre is a professional Brazilian Muay Thai fighter. He is a former WMC Intercontinental and WPMF World Champion. On December 5, 2009 he won the WMC King's Cup Challenger Tournament in Bangkok, Thailand, and today, he holds a record of 39 wins / 13 losses. Alexandre has fought some of the best Muay Thai practitioners in the world, including Giorgio Petrosyan, Yodsanklai Fairtex, and John Wayne Parr. Alexandre, who is represented by the team at Authentic Sports Management, currently resides and trains out of Springfield, Massachusetts.

Cyrus Washington has won multiple professional Muay Thai titles, including a title victory over the well known Burmese fighter Saw Nga in a bare knuckle championship bout that took place in Burma. Washington had previously lived in Thailand for over three years and trained out of Tiger Muay Thai in Phuket. Washington recently made his way back to the U.S. and now currently lives and trains out of Michigan. Washington's current record is 47 wins / 16 losses.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
riverboy



Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
it depends on your style of taekwondo, because in ITF you ARE allowed to use punches and strike to the head. i think the WTF style is bad because if you up close and personal u are done. TKD is used in what i call long style, that is something used to keep distance and using the feet for attacks. medium styles would be like karate, muay thai etc, and close would be aikido, jiujutsu, judo, etc. i think tKD is a good starting point, but a person should move on to other styles to keep versatile. I studied TKD for 10 years and during that time studied various other styles to keep a mix up. believe me when i say that having more than 1 style while at tournaments and fighting gives u a DEFINITE edge ^_^


I agree with you 100%. My point really was not about the effective nature of WTF, but the loss of practicality due to the "Olympicization" of the sport. It became more ritual than combative in nature.

In theory, it still retains many effective techniques. Looking at the various blocks and throat shots used in poomse's one can see the "middle distance" style that you are talking about. I think that TKD has to go back to it's roots; before it became standardized. Back when it was emerging, and com[eteing with Karate, it was much more brutal than it is today. Still, I've enjoyed it and I am sure it has improved my self defence capabilities as whole. Better yet, it has made me far more flexible; has helped me recover from a pretty bad car accident and made me more fit.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Off-Topic Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International