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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:19 am    Post subject: NWU backtracks on kinky sex demo Reply with quote

Prof. Michael Bailey is one of the nation's leading sexological researchers, hosts Sexnet, a listserv for them, and gives the very popular Human Sexuality course at Northwestern University. The demo was given as an optional part of the course, after hours; students will not be tested on it; and they were given multiple advisories that the demo would be quite graphic and explicit.

Does academic freedom extend this far, or was Prof. Bailey's demo inappropriate?


* U.S. NEWS
* MARCH 3, 2011, 7:27 P.M. ET


College Condemns Classroom Sex Show

By KEVIN HELLIKER

CHICAGO�Northwestern University reversed course on Thursday and condemned a live demonstration of sex in a classroom, after defending the act earlier in the week.

"Many members of the Northwestern community are disturbed by what took place on our campus," Northwestern President Morton Schapiro said in a statement. "So am I." He said the university was launching an investigation.

Following a human sexuality class last week on Northwestern's Evanston, Ill., campus, Prof. John Michael Bailey invited students to stay for an extracurricular demonstration that he warned would be explicit and graphic. Of the 567 students enrolled in the class, about 100 stayed to watch a sexual act involving a woman, a man and an electric-powered device.

Afterward, the campus newspaper published an article about the class, and Prof. Bailey issued a lengthy statement. While expressing regret for any trouble his decisions had caused his dean, Prof. Bailey said in the email that "thoughtful discussion of controversial topics is a cornerstone of learning."

Prof. Bailey, a tenured professor of psychology, said the live demonstration was part of a larger series of events he had arranged "at considerable investment of my time, for which I receive no compensation from Northwestern University."

He said past guests had included two convicted sex offenders, a transsexual entertainer and a panel of gay men speaking about their sex lives.

As the incident gained notoriety in the Chicago media, Northwestern University initially supported Prof. Bailey.

"The university supports the efforts of its faculty to further the advancement of knowledge," a Northwestern spokesman said earlier this week. "Northwestern University faculty members engage in teaching and research on a wide variety of topics, some of them controversial."

An outcry from alumni and other university supporters prompted Northwestern to change its stance.

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Campus newspaper article

Bailey's statement (pdf)

Read German? Orgasm in US classroom


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"thoughtful discussion of controversial topics is a cornerstone of learning."


Degenerate for the sake of degenerate.

The cornerstone of learning is not watching a machine screw a woman.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:28 am    Post subject: Re: NWU backtracks on kinky sex demo Reply with quote

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....about 100 stayed to watch a sexual act involving a woman, a man and a pony.


It could have been worse.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Screwing animals is assuredly a taboo to be destroyed. Norms are suggestive of a fascist society.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
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"thoughtful discussion of controversial topics is a cornerstone of learning."


Degenerate for the sake of degenerate.

Sorry, I forgot. Sex is dirty, filthy, and disgusting, right? Rolling Eyes

While even I may not be a fan of live sex in the classroom, I would not describe what many couples may do mutually willingly in private "degenerate."
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, did you know that the CIA funded the worldview you hold? True story. The degenerate leftists that gave us this anti-culture were not pursuing truth.

http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/03/twitterers-of-the-world-unite-the-digital-new-left-as-controlled-opposition-part-1/
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We have seen that a common component of ... intellectual activity since the Enlightenment has been to criticize ... culture. Freud�s ideas have often been labeled as subversive. Indeed, �[Freud] was convinced that it was in the very nature of psychoanalytic doctrine to appear shocking and subversive. On board ship to America he did not feel that he was bringing that country a new panacea. With his typically dry wit he told his traveling com-panions, �We are bringing them the plague� � (Mannoni 1971, 168).

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/chap4.pdf

No taboo will go untouched by radical criticism:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2007/jul/07073008
Quote:
Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. The child touches all parts of their father�s body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
Hey, did you know that the CIA funded the worldview you hold? True story. The degenerate leftists that gave us this anti-culture were not pursuing truth.

http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/03/twitterers-of-the-world-unite-the-digital-new-left-as-controlled-opposition-part-1/


While it is quite well known that the CIA creates and infiltrates groups in order to better control the "opposition," your contention is quite the leap of logic!

Besides, I didn't know I hold one single "worldview."
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Space Bar wrote:
mises wrote:
Hey, did you know that the CIA funded the worldview you hold? True story. The degenerate leftists that gave us this anti-culture were not pursuing truth.

http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/03/twitterers-of-the-world-unite-the-digital-new-left-as-controlled-opposition-part-1/


While it is quite well known that the CIA creates and infiltrates groups in order to better control the "opposition," your contention is quite the leap of logic!

Besides, I didn't know I hold one single "worldview."


You ideas about sex are the product of a cabal of people who despised the prevailing morality and worked aggressively to destroy it - with CIA etc funding. It is utterly debased.

They used no data. They made it all up. Freud wanted to screw his mom. He was sexually debased. Now you're posting articles about a women being screwed by a machine in an undergrad psyc class.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof. Michael Bailey, in addressing the controversy, said,
Quote:
Sticks and stones may break your bones, but watching naked people on stage doing pleasurable things will never hurt you.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that a fair amount of the people offended by the prof's public event have familiarized themselves with porn in private
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Space Bar wrote:
Prof. Michael Bailey, in addressing the controversy, said,
Quote:
Sticks and stones may break your bones, but watching naked people on stage doing pleasurable things will never hurt you.


Clever. Debased.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyNqA7MoFHQ

"the fact that there has been such a huge deteroiration of culture has had a much greater impact at the lower end of the IQ distribution".

People need a zeitgeist of restraint. Some people (like me) are able to restrain themselves. Some aren't. Culture provides boundaries that serve to help those who can not naturally behave in a way that is in their best interests to live a healthy life. Or culture encourages a degenerate society.

This:

http://maggiart.wikispaces.com/file/view/botticelli_venus.jpg/59239034/botticelli_venus.jpg

became this:

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwldifh8gr1qaqhqdo1_500.jpg

This:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Sandro_Botticelli_-_Virgem_com_o_Menino_e_S%C3%A3o_Jo%C3%A3o_Batista_Crian%C3%A7a.jpg/300px-Sandro_Botticelli_-_Virgem_com_o_Menino_e_S%C3%A3o_Jo%C3%A3o_Batista_Crian%C3%A7a.jpg

Became this:

Quote:
Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. The child touches all parts of their father�s body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same.


..

Our society has no future. We have chaos and confusion to look forward to.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
Space Bar wrote:
Prof. Michael Bailey, in addressing the controversy, said,
Quote:
Sticks and stones may break your bones, but watching naked people on stage doing pleasurable things will never hurt you.


Clever. Debased.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyNqA7MoFHQ

"the fact that there has been such a huge deteroiration of culture has had a much greater impact at the lower end of the IQ distribution".

Interesting, but why 1965? Don't tell me it was all The Beatles' fault! Shocked

Quote:
This:

http://maggiart.wikispaces.com/file/view/botticelli_venus.jpg/59239034/botticelli_venus.jpg

became this:

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwldifh8gr1qaqhqdo1_500.jpg

This:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Sandro_Botticelli_-_Virgem_com_o_Menino_e_S%C3%A3o_Jo%C3%A3o_Batista_Crian%C3%A7a.jpg/300px-Sandro_Botticelli_-_Virgem_com_o_Menino_e_S%C3%A3o_Jo%C3%A3o_Batista_Crian%C3%A7a.jpg

Became this:

Quote:
Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. The child touches all parts of their father�s body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same.


These are sizable leaps you are making here, especially the second one. Where did you pull that one out of?
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Quote:
Our society has no future. We have chaos and confusion to look forward to.

I'm all for turning the clock back to the 60's.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm all for turning the clock back to the 60's.


The glory years are over maaaannnn. Now we have to live with the consequences:

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-04-08/living/out.of.wedlock.births_1_out-of-wedlock-unwed-mothers-wedding-dress?_s=PM:LIVING
Quote:

Nearly 40 percent of babies born in the United States in 2007 were delivered by unwed mothers, according to data released last month by the National Center for Health Statistics. The 1.7 million out-of-wedlock births, of 4.3 million total births, marked a more than 25 percent jump from five years before.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This, in addition to Mises' examples, is why western civilization is collapsing.
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