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ippy
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 Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: [snowboard] Bataleon - 2010 Airobic 155 - 260,000 shipped |
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In my quiver, this is the board I've ridden the least.
The reason for that is pure practicality.
My first trip to japan this season was niseko and furano. At niseko i was pretty much on my charlie slasher (Wah!!!pow!!), and furano was SUPER lame so i rocked out on the more chargy quiver killer instead.
Trip two i only took the quiver killer.
In total ive personally put about 5-6 days on it (just took it to tigerworld at bucheon on saturday and had stacks of fun). I reckon the guy who had it before me put probably about 20-30 days just from the condition of it.
Heres the basic facts of it:
Bataleon Airobic 155
Base - extruded
shape - truetwin
Flex - soft (3/10) but not noodly soft (even though it is bataleons 'jib' board).
Rider size: 140-190lbs
Boot size: 7.5-11.
Type of rider in mind:
Three in truth.
The first is someone who wants to hit up the jib features on the park or hit some urban rails. Its a PARK board. Its definitely a park board. It is stiffer than your standard park board though because it is nevertheless camber (with a triple base). It CAN ride fine outside of the park (so you can also use it as a resort cruiser which is awesome (see posted review!), but primarily its nonethless built for park and hitting rails.
So this board will really suit someone who wants to hit up rails and wants the pop and liveliness of camber whilst having those contacts raised for easy spins, landings and sliding. This board butters.
Second is a genuine beginner. Theyll be on a camber deck which means theyll be able to get the fundamentals down, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, raised contacts means they'll be getting a catch free ride. After they start hitting serious steep terrain (as in riding it, not just sliding on it), they will feel they need a fiestier board, but until that point (about day 40) it'll take you through everything you need.
Finally (and the category i myself fit into) this board will interest someone who wants to try out TBT without shelling out $500+ (especially in korea).
Now tbt will boggle some of your minds, but this video definitely helps (and also hypes everyone that watches it which is obviously good for me thats trying to sell a bataleon  ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8pBzNxAPQ&playnext=1&list=PLA8EC9A9F5D05AB18
Truth is of all Bataleon boards out there, the airobic is probably the furthest from my style. i aint no park rat. My top priority is a nice stiff, poppy chargy deck like the Riot (which is actually why im selling all three of these decks - i want the 2012 riot ). I bought it because it was cheap ($200 plus shipping and import). And it took me a good 6 months of craigslist/ebay watching almost every day to find the damn thing Ideally i would have gone for a riot, but well, cheap(ish) bataleons go quick and often to people inside the US (who wants shipping issues?).
Anyway, heres my take from january 2011 when i wasnt selling it.
http://www.trusnow.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43793&PID=956479#956479
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heres my take on the airobic (155 - me=73kilofatass)
Went out on the airobic last night thinking it would a) fold up on me, and b) sink. Indeed, its because of this ive been here a week and yet to get on it. I just assumed it would be a complete dud in hokkaido powder.
I tell you this kiddies, bataleon suits me down to the ground Havent had as much fun on a snowboard since last year on the scope. The board KILLS the scope for stability, and when you lock in on a carve you really feel like its on rails. In pow it does sink mind you (though not that bad, indeed it floats better than you might expect) and pressing it feels a little uncontrolled (rider issue). I can get really nice controlled tail presses from the scope but cant seem to pull the airobic up all that much without feeling like im sliding out one way or the other. BUT when you want to tail block, its effortless (though i only know this because my half cabs keep trying to land vertically - probably because im not entirely used to the pop yet ).
Basically the deck is awesome for stability, and really is catch free. If you dont carve it and its bombing it will start sliding out behind, but getting on a carve was effortless anyway. Id rather be on edge anyhoo when im bombing so its no skin off my nose and it only happened the once, but i figured it was worth echoing the point above just because it is true and can happen.
In the negatives, it hasnt got great float. Its better than the quiver killer, but its nothing like the charlie... obviously. I dont think its got as good float as the indoor/scope either. For nice long tail slides, the scope also wins.
But for forgiveness and happily dropping into switch the airobic wins. Its totally catch free. Finally, its really poppy. Only found its sweet spot a couple of times over little rollers and bobbles on the mountain, but when you do find it, it takes off. I can still ollie easier on the scope, but i reckon thats a technique issue for sure while i get used to ollying on camber again.
All round i cant quite retire the scope because it has some great advantages (float in particular), but damn, the airobics the most fun ive had here so far and i havent even taken it into the park yet I still think the funkink would have suited me more (not least because its got a setback on it which would definitely be handy out here) but im really glad that it wasnt just the hype talking. The board was surprisingly more feisty than i expected and definitely holds its own in some of the parts its not really expected to. I do like a good charge, and if theres one thing im okay at its bombing, so i wasnt holding back on it i promise. It gets a bit chattery at high speed, but it doesnt feel like its going to fold on you, and that was just awesome.
It genuinely picked my trip up a bit. Instead of looking at little features and wishing i was on something a little more playful (as i feel riding the charlie), its great to know that im on a deck that eats that stuff up for dinner
All in all, im loving it so far. I cant help but think though that if this board does all that, the evil twin must be raging! As for the riot... Basically i dont need a jib board, but i took what i got, and honestly its not making me feel like ive got a deck i dont really want (except through the assumption that if their flexiest board is this fiesty, then the stiffer boards must be freaking insane!) |
Finally, the board is in great condition. Just general scuffs on the base as youd expect from a jib deck, no gouges, no repairs and no noticeable damage. The base however does have discoloration. I guess the guy that had it before me was big into his urban rails.
Anyways, 260,000 shipped, 240,000 pick up.
Of all my decks this is the one i genuinely reckon will have the most interest just because finding a bataleon at this price even in the US is going to be tough (and they sell fast in the second hand market), let alone one you dont have to import. There is a LOT of hype on bataleon.
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Vimfuego
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| When you selling a Rome Anthem for 260,000? |
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ippy
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| Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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just as soon as i own one and think "hang on, the black snowboard of death exists! why do i want a rome anthem? I should sell this!"
That being said i did kinda like the sound of it, but it fits that gap between quiver killer and charlie slasher, and the last thing i need is a FIFTH board when im trying to cut it back to two |
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| Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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To the dude that just PMed me. Sorry man, i cant send you a PM back (still dont have the ability for some reason).
176 and 88kilos. Total Beginner.
I have three decks im selling:
Bataleon Airobic 155
Capita Sierrascope 156
Capita Quiver killer 157.
First up, they are ALL too short for you ideally you should be on a 160-163 id say for a real all mountain ride. In truth to get the most out of these decks youd need to maybe get under 83kilos.
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Too Long Didnt read: yeah its a long post, so heres the summary, you can read the rest if you want to understand the reasoning:
For long term progression:
Quiver killer
Airobic
Sierrascope
For early (1 year) progression:
Airobic
Quiver Killer
Sierrascope
For fun and cruising
Sierrascope
Airobic
Quiver killer
For park progression:
Egaads! how to order this? Theyre all awesome in different spheres:
Quiver killer: big features (pipe/kickers)
Airobic: jibs and small-med hits
Sierrascope: Boxes/rails and mellow hits.
for pow
sierrascope
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quiver killer
airobic (its way too soft at your weight).
The priority is on your long term progression in which case i recommend the quiver killer. But if you just want to snowboard for something to do during the winter and dont plan on really getting hooked on it (of all my friends about 20% ended up hooked on it the rest just do it for fun), then maybe the airobic or sierrascope would be better for you |
So heres my choice of board for you and why i think the others can be considerations but probably arent:
Board 1: the quiver killer.
The most stable is going to be the quiver killer. Its arguably the best for your weight since it is a stiff board anyway, so the flex will feel a little softer to you compared to me (im 73kilo).
Heres a quick explanation on flex: http://www.trusnow.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40125&PID=864416#864416
I always say i wont sell this to an absolute beginner because its too stiff, but well, if youre over the weight on the size, then its a little easier to quieten my conscience
This board is camber. Now back in the day when reverse camber didnt exist, when you wanted a park board you sized down your camber deck (so you maybe went from a 159 to a 154). In effect this is what youd be doing here.
But you'll be doing it on a rather fiesty deck. So youll have the size of a park board and the medium flex of an all mountain.
Heres what you gain and what you lose:
You LOSE:
Float. This is the most noticeable thing youre going to lose on this deck. Its going to sink in powder. If you plan on hitting up niseko on it, stick to the groomers, you wont be having fun in the trees i reckon.
Pop: you wont notice this so much just becaus ethe board isnt going to feel THAT soft and it also comes with STACKS of pop anyhoo. Nevertheless, you will lose some pop. Its simple science: when you shift your weight onto the tail of the board and then release (called 'loading'), the board will snap back to its original shape. This is its pop. You're going to load it easier, but its also going to snap less than if someone 70-75 kilos was riding it.
Stability: Youre on a shorter board. Because this board is pretty stiff and has almost perfect edge hold in all conditions, this isnt going to be a big deal on the quiver killer. Its built enitirely to hold an edge on solid squirly ice walls (its a 2 times goodwood winner for pipe), so you'll still be fine on it regardless if youre a bit over its weight.
You GAIN:
flex: This is the biggy. It turns a stiff board into a medium board for you. This will keep this board from feeling entirely one dimensional. Its going to be a nice solid ride, but its also going to feel like you can press it or spin it about a bit.
manoeuvrability: One of the reasons people size down their park board is because they want a board thats easier to throw about. My charlie slasher (164) feels like im turning an oil tanker in spins just from swing weight and sheer size. My bataleon on the other hand feels like nothing. It spins very fast which means i can butter (ground tricks using spins and presses), and also of course spin comfortably. In sizing down you obviously have a board that will feel a little easier to get fast turns from.
Heres how i expect you to progress on it:
Beginner stage: linking turns and simple carving (year 1: days 1-20)
The board will feel stiff regardless. Its going to catch edges and its going to spank you about no more and no less than a rental will. Its going to give you a sound foundation and still feel fun for you as you move into carving and hitting some speed. You wont be bounced around and the edges will hold on you which obviously means youll feel a little more comfortable hitting up more difficult terrain.
Intermediate stage: Learning your terrains (from red-->black--->flirting with the off piste).(years 2 and 3 - days 20-60)
This is where this board will do some serious work. This is why i often recommend people (that are really hyped on snowboarding) to pick up a custom over a blunt (even though burton will tell you that the blunt is GREAT for beginners).
As you move around the mountain you want a board that you can trust. A softer board is going to wash on you or get bounced around by the more technical and difficult terrain out there. This board isnt. It will hold that edge allowing you to progress quicker and also get your carving on lock down. Why is carving important? Simply this: when you first start you HATE your edges. Theyre like the enemy that keeps smacking you on your face ('catching an edge'), but as you progress you realise your edges are the thing thats keeping you from sliding out on that ice patch or charging through that choppy snow instead of getting bounced around it. Basically edge hold is EVERYTHING as you move away from the green runs (well... unless youre hitting deep pow, then its a teensy bit less important ). Carving is all about controlling your edge. Get that locked down and you can pretty much go anywhere and hit anything you like (within reason of course).
Off piste is where youre going to start feeling restrictions though. Here the pow is deeper and this board really will struggle when it hits semi flat areas. Its GREAT in the trees just because its built to turn fast anyway (deep sidecut), so you will get fast turns out of it, but my advice is you use a different board for this. 
If none of this is your bag, then theres park as well. This board is going to feel decent fun on boxes and is going to feel AWESOME on jumps. On landings maybe not so much, unlike the airobic and the scope (the other two boards), there are no raised contacts to help you out in dodgy landings, so you dont land it, you bail. Again, you either learn to land properly or you get spanked. Pretty much the way it goes with camber But you get better pop than the other two, which means more controlled air time, and you get better technique since youre less likely to get away with stuff. In addition, because its sized down this is where youll feel one of the biggest benefits of the board. Its going to feel SUPER EASY to throw around and spin compared to a 162 (which you probably should be on). As i say, thats one of the big reasons people would size down their park board, so you're getting that, and whats more because its a stiff board from the start, you wont be getting bitten by the stability issues others might have when they ride a board thats too small for them when they try and take it onto bigger features or outside the park. In effect youre getting an all mountain ride.
On a point of order though, the second reason they size down is the flex is also softened up a little. Youre going from stiff to medium, theyre going from medium to medium-soft and the like. thems the trade-offs.
Advanced: (backcountry, slackcountry, black runs, and big park: Days 70+)
This isnt a backcountry board. Its topo small for your weight. Hell its too small for my weight. if i was riding a quiver killer in the backcountry id be sizing it way the hell up. For slackcountry it also feels a little small for me and gives a bit of the old thigh burn when i do venture out there . At your size, nah, it aint gonna work. Get another board.
So really youre left with two parts of the mountain - cruising the groomers (and really the boards not a cruising deck so that will get boring except for the occasional black run that will feel fun if its not just a mogul-bahn), and the park. In particular the bigger hits in the park: namely proper size kickers and the pipe.
Now the board is BUILT for the pipe. If you want pipe, this will be the board you turn to. No if's nor buts. Total stability, lots of pop, and fast explosive turns. If you keep it for nothing else (and havent sold it on by now), it will be for this reason. Its also going to take you over 20-30 foot kickers no problem. Basically your best use of this at this stage will be as an aggressive park stick. You might take it out on backcountry kicker days (but that wont be for a few years down the line), since its absolutely bombproof, but really its going to be in the big hits that this board will be your go-to deck for. By now youll probably have a different board to fit yoru other interests (but this board will still have a legitimate place in yoru quiver.
So yeah. Thats how the quiver killer should probably work out for you. Get your weight down and youll be trading off flex for float/pop.
So what about the other two?
The sierrascope:
I love this board its fun. At the beginner stage its going to feel lots of fun, but honestly i would worry that youd be sacrificing some foundations for forgiveness. At the beginning stage youre not going to have any problems, but come the next step and carving, i really feel this board will hold you back a LOT. If you only plan on just chilling with your friends, and just trying out snowboarding then yeah, youll have great successes early on and feel some real motivations to get back out there just because this board is going to be AWESOME at the start. But you'll outgrow it quickly and youll probably have to buy another board after a year or two when you get sick of washing. (washing is when you lose your inside edge (the one youre riding on) and slide out, happens on reverse camber a lot anyway, but on a board that youre too heavy for its definitely going to happen anytime you pick up speed).
The board will be relegated to two functions.
1. Very mellow cruising (ie. buttering the greens and reds).
2. Park jibbing.
You wont be carving on it - well, i mean you can, nothing stops anyone doing anything on a snowboard, but youre going to have a much harder time of it than on the quiver killer. And if you aint carving, you aint (seriously) opening up and mastering the terrain.
But then again, you dont know your preferences, you aint me, i like slackcountry, you might end up a park rat in which case this boards gonna be a blast for you.
The Airobic
This is kinda your half way house board. Its soft. Objectively its softer than the sierrascope, but it FEELS stiffer just because its camber all the way through.
Again, at the beginning, because it has raised contacts its going to feel great fun to learn on. And just like the sierrascope its going to come to a quick grinding halt for you when you want to head into the more tricky terrain. Still, its going to hold an edge a little better than the scope and it will let you hit some squirlier terrain without washing out on you. But ultimately it is still a jib board at the end of the day. So although you will get more out of your edges on it than the scope, its still going to keep you pretty much within the mellower parts of the resort and the park.
If you were my weight, of the three id recommend the airobic for an absolute beginner, because you can seriously bomb that thing even though its (allegedly) super soft. But since you aint, i do feel it might hold less of an edge and just feel a bit TOO small for you.
Anyway, hope this helps. Hit me back if you need more info
Oh, and heres a link to the other two boards im selling so you can read up on what theyre about:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=206309
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=195260 |
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| Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 5:09 am Post subject: |
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