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Keeping the "Top-Dawg" happy

 
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MitchMartin



Joined: 14 Jan 2010
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 4:25 pm    Post subject: Keeping the "Top-Dawg" happy Reply with quote

What are some suggestions for staying the good graces of your principal and vice-principals at your school? I guess this is restricted to public schools, but since we're dealing with people skills, other bosses could apply.

Specifically in Korea of course. I've never had a problem with my principal or bosses at my school, but I hear a lot of people have issues.

Besides saying "good morning" when you arrive, what else can a NT do to continually create good impressions?
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Squire



Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Join in at volleyball if you play, go out with other teachers whenever it is requested of you.

There's a way of saying 'anyeong haseyo' to bosses, I might start using that this week. I need to score as many points as possible against my coteacher
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sing81



Joined: 09 Apr 2011
Location: USA

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience, these people are rude and never do what they say or should. I only respect those who respect me. Teaching, fufilling ones duties, and being respectful should be enough, but it's not they are looking for someone to degrade. For example, they needed me to clean the entrance way to our classroom, but they couldn't simply ask and I agree. They needed to come and inspect that part before and after it's been clean without any complaint from me, then say 'big boss" and "super big boss" is coming and I need to clean it again. Mind you there are only 70 out of 150 students.
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West Coast Tatterdemalion



Joined: 31 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soju. Buy lots of soju.
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sallymonster



Joined: 06 Feb 2010
Location: Seattle area

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always attend the school's special events, field trips, and teachers' dinners.
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sallymonster @ squire +1

Also, if you have a talent (computers, basketball, soccer) by George get out and share it with your students. Better than kissing up, and you are admired by students, faculty, and parents
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winterfall



Joined: 21 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree with most the posters. If they think your competent, they're love you. If they think your crap they're make you feel their hate. VP and Principal is like the end of the line job. They were good but not good enough to get moved to the district office. They don't want any of their subordinates ruining their image
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

winterfall wrote:
VP and Principal is like the end of the line job. They were good but not good enough to get moved to the district office.

Not how it works. To become a VP or principal these guys have already had to serve a number of years as supervisors at district or provincial offices, some in quite powerful positions. Principalship is the coveted reward at the end.
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea

PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My former VP is this Mr. Don't-you-ever-f**king-bother-me-but-worship-me type of person. He won few awards in the past. The principal calls him "one of the best 2nd generation of Korean teachers". But he was unpopular among the female teachers and the parents. He completely ignored and hated the two previous NETs including myself.

I learned one important thing. I don't know if it helps. The best way to see whether the VP is an a**hole or not is to see how the parents think about the VP themselves.

Bad example of a horrible VP: My former VP offended some parents during this year's first semester because he was too busy to choose a new NET of his liking and he didn't know how the funding works for NETs. Eventually 6-8 kids moved to the next school 2 months ago. It's already a small school and it wouldn't get any stable fundings for next year now that the VP royally offended the whole school district.

This bastard along his pet co-teacher (now gone to another school) should go to hell for offending teachers, some NETs, and parents.

schwa wrote:
Not how it works. To become a VP or principal these guys have already had to serve a number of years as supervisors at district or provincial offices, some in quite powerful positions. Principalship is the coveted reward at the end.


And these supervisors are often the worst kind of people you can meet in Korea.
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riley



Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: where creditors can find me

PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stay off their radar as much as possible. If you pop up on their radar, make it happen for positive reasons.

If you're visible to them (high possibility of crossing paths often) look nice and professional. That way anything they hear will either complement their impression of you or will be somewhat negated by their impression of you.

I haven't seen gift giving or other similar actions being especially helpful for a NET.

The basic thing to remember is that a Principal is like an elephant. They're big, hard to stop, dangerous when rogue and can squash you flat. If shit happens in your office between you and coworkers, don't try to go to the principal (or worse, over his/her head) without being ready for some negative repercussions. Principals want a smooth operation, you coming to them with complaints makes it not smooth, so, squash! You going above them, embarrasses them and that makes them angry. So if you need to do that, be ready for trouble and make sure you have a big enough gun for the elephant.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

riley wrote:
Stay off their radar as much as possible. If you pop up on their radar, make it happen for positive reasons.

If you're visible to them (high possibility of crossing paths often) look nice and professional. That way anything they hear will either complement their impression of you or will be somewhat negated by their impression of you.

I haven't seen gift giving or other similar actions being especially helpful for a NET.

The basic thing to remember is that a Principal is like an elephant. They're big, hard to stop, dangerous when rogue and can squash you flat. If shit happens in your office between you and coworkers, don't try to go to the principal (or worse, over his/her head) without being ready for some negative repercussions. Principals want a smooth operation, you coming to them with complaints makes it not smooth, so, squash! You going above them, embarrasses them and that makes them angry. So if you need to do that, be ready for trouble and make sure you have a big enough gun for the elephant.


This is by far the best advice. Exchange drinks with them at school parties. Look away from them when downing a soju glass. Don't smoke in front of them. Don't let them see you get drunk . Let them see you enjoying Korean food. Don't complain about your co-teachers. There is really very little they can do. Bottom line" Don't rock the boat and chances are they'll like you."
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warmachinenkorea



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give a little more tongue when kissing their butts.
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