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soupsandwich
Joined: 20 May 2011
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 Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: A little over 2 years later... |
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President Obama has been in office for 1/2 a term now............
Has he brought the "change" you had in mind?
What are your thoughts?
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Despite voting for him, even on election day I was laughing at all the idiots who voted for him and though everything would magically change.
Young people are stupid. |
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soupsandwich
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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I would agree to that. Young people (or anyone for that matter) who do not do any research on presidential candidates before making a decision are not using wise judgment.
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northway
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Despite voting for him, even on election day I was laughing at all the idiots who voted for him and though everything would magically change.
Young people are stupid. |
I was an organizer on the Obama campaign, and I can say that where I was working older people were far more in the idealist camp than young people were. One in particular who comes to mind is a woman who said Obama was "like Abbie Hoffman...or Jesus." Across the board, the boomers I dealt with were far more inclined to think that the dreams of the 1960s would somehow be realized than were the Ivy leaguers who formed the bulk of my volunteer base. |
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soupsandwich
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| a woman who said Obama was "like Abbie Hoffman...or Jesus. |
I'll bet she regrets, that. |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 3:03 am Post subject: |
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Bush might as well have gotten another 4 years. All Obama did was continue (and expand upon) the exact same agenda.
His greatest "accomplishment" was being able to drum up such an obscene and embarrassing amount of hype during his campaign and dupe so many incredibly ignorant and naive people into voting for him. Beyond that, "hope and change" is the biggest crock I've ever seen in my life. |
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Hugo85
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| His 2 years didn't do much, but the alternative wouldn't of done better. It doesn't matter who's in charge really. |
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legrande
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| I personally don't think the President's really in charge of the show very much any more. |
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soupsandwich
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:34 am Post subject: |
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Bush might as well have gotten another 4 years. All Obama did was continue (and expand upon) the exact same agenda.
His greatest "accomplishment" was being able to drum up such an obscene and embarrassing amount of hype during his campaign and dupe so many incredibly ignorant and naive people into voting for him. Beyond that, "hope and change" is the biggest crock I've ever seen in my life. |
Besides gas being up by 110% here are a few factors to consider.....
1. Obama has been in office just over 2 years and it has gone up over $ 4 Trillion dollars. In other words it went up 9 Trillion from 1981 to 2008, 27 years. That works out to 1/3 of a Trillion a year. He is over 6 times higher per year.
The total debt is 14.3 Trillion and he is directly/indirectly responsible for about 28 % of it.
2. Flatlined on a Democratic party issue of not bailing out or rewarding bg buisness for failure (Wall Street, GE, GM, Goldman Sacks , Shell, etc)
3. Has done nothing to stop illegal immigration and not allowing certain states to protect it's borders has not helped at all.
4. He DID get OBL
5. He has learned that cowtowing to other countries does not buy you friends and allies.
Now, I openly admit that Obama was handed a mess, when he took over as president. A few important things went wrong during the two previous years (please note: The last two years of Bush's term, Democrats controlled Congresss.........creating a shite storm....same thing will happen again).
I did not vote for him. He had not done anything as a senetor, really. His voting record was dismall and his time in Illinois is questionable. Unfortunatley, the sad truth is that many people that voted for him got suckered into the "Change We Can Believe In" mantra. Even wrose, many of Black Americans voted for him, simply beccause his black..nothing more.
These next two years will be very important for Mr. Obama in terms of how is presidency will be judged and if he hopes to get re-elected.
In my opinion.....Dem's vs Republicans....two sides of the same coin. You just have to do your research before voting and cast it the candidate that will cause the least amount of damage to the country.
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Abe Scrap
Joined: 01 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:39 am Post subject: Re: A little over 2 years later... |
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| soupsandwich wrote: |
President Obama has been in office for 1/2 a term now............
Has he brought the "change" you had in mind? |
Some of us were not expecting much change,
| like that prescient poster bacasper who, more than a year before the election, while Obama was still a longshot to get the nomination, on the thread entitled Will a Republocrat save us?, wrote: |
For those who believe that one of the leading Democratic or Republican candidates will get us out of the mess we are in, I have some bad news.
As Ralph Nader stated, they are two wings of the same party, both of which are financed by the same people, and peopled by the same apparatus. In 2004, the main fundraiser for Bush was the president of Citibank, and the main fundraiser for Kerry was the vice president of Citibank.
Let's go back to the collapse of the Soviet Union when we were supposed to reap a "peace dividend." What did the rulers do? Well, under Clinton there was a greater expenditure for arms than under Reagan!
In 2001, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Air Force Gen. Richard Myers said, "It is very clear that Afghanistan is only a small piece of the US campaign that could last more than a lifetime." This ideology has been a barrage articulated not only by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al., it is also the litany coming from the Democratic party, e.g. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
BO said on Sept. 4, 2007: "Hit Iran where it hurts." "Americans need to come together to confront the challenge posed by Iran. The war in Iraq has strengthened Iran which poses for us the greatest strategic challenge in the Middle East in a generation. Iran supports violent groups and sectarians in Iraq. Iran fuels terror and extremism in the Middle East. Iran is making progress on a nuclear program in defiance of the international community. Iran calls for Israel to be wiped off the map." He follows this up by calling for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran.
On Aug. 3, 2007, speaking at Princeton's Woodrow Wilson School of the International School for Scholars, BO called for a US attack on Pakistan, more troops in Afghanistan, and unilateral attacks on Iran and Pakistan, and strengthening the US military and intelligence apparatus across the planet.
You could not fit a sliver of paper in between the ideologies of Dick Cheney and Barack Obama.
This is a crisis of capitalism addicted to permanent war, a facade of public relations types bought and paid for, a millionaires' club that fronts for a concentrated structure of power. If we do not grasp this, or provide a strategy for struggle based upon the essential recognition of the nature of our society, we will but perpetuate its rule, and prevent ourselves from reaching out to our own constituency.
This is a shell game, or one of "good cop, bad cop," if you will. It is designed to lure us into picking and choosing among those who have in mind the same old story. |
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soupsandwich
Joined: 20 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| good point(s) |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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I was excited about the healthcare changes, and I'm happy with those being implemented. Very disappointed in the Patriot Act, Gitmo, continued military involvement in the Middle East, continued near-illegal lobbying and Wall Street's domination of Washington.
So though I think he did a better job than McCain would have (only slightly), I'm done voting for Republicans and Democrats. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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As a Canadian I'd say internationally Obama is a godsend to anything the Republicans can come up with. With Bush, he drew a line in the sand and basically said if you're on the other side you're an enemy.
The world isn't black and white, but filled with a lot of grey and just because you don't agree with the Americans on something doesn't make your country evil.
And it absolutely boggles my mind why so many Americans are opposed to public health care. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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And it absolutely boggles my mind why so many Americans are opposed to public health care. |
Because a majority already have employer-based health care. And they don't trust change. |
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Fox
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