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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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 Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 8:53 am Post subject: The Resistance is Going Global |
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It started in Toronto and is now moving to Boston and San Francisco before taking over the US. One wonders how long it will be before Korea and Japan are caught in the wave.
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BOSTON � An international series of protests known as SlutWalks, sparked by a Toronto police officer's flippant comment that women should avoid dressing like "sluts" to avoid being raped or victimized, is taking root in the United States.
Some women and men who protest dress in nothing more remarkable than jeans and T-shirts, while others wear provocative or revealing outfits to bring attention to "*beep*-shaming," or shaming women for being sexual, and the treatment of sexual assault victims.
"It was taking the blame off the rapist and on the victim," said Nicole Sullivan, 21, a student at the University of Massachusetts-Boston and an organizer of the SlutWalk planned Saturday in that city. "So we are using these efforts to reclaim the word '*beep*.'"
The police officer made his comments in January to a group of York University students at a safety forum. He later apologized, but his comments were publicized widely on Facebook and Twitter. They inspired a march in Toronto last month that drew more than 3,000 people, as well as SlutWalks since then in Dallas, Asheville, North Carolina, and Ottawa, Ontario.
'Shame and degradation'
In addition to Boston, marches are planned in cities including Seattle, Chicago, Philadelphia, Reno, Nevada, and Austin, Texas.
"The event is in protest of a culture that we think is too permissive when it comes to rape and sexual assault," said Siobhan Connors, 20, of Lynn, Massachusetts, another Boston organizer. "It's to bring awareness to the shame and degradation women still face for expressing their sexuality ... essentially for behaving in a healthy and sexual way."
The events are similar to "Take Back the Night" rallies and other marches that aim to bring attention to sexual violence. But there are key differences.
SlutWalkers have danced to hip-hop, worn T-shirts with the word "*beep*" and held signs that read "sluts pay taxes." Some women have skated around on inline skates in lingerie, while their male supporters wore shirts reading, "I love sluts." |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42927752
The one in SF this weekend promises to be a "family event." That should turn out well. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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When I made the comment that eventually led to the other thread getting locked (sorry guys), I was just joking. Now, I'm not so sure.
Protesting the insensitive delivery of the officer's comment is one thing, but to actively try to convince others than acting in a manner that puts them in harm's way is borderline criminal.
| Madigan wrote: |
| One wonders how long it will be before Korea and Japan are caught in the wave. |
I take it you haven't spent a spring or summer in large cities in either country, have you? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Is the title ironic?
It seems to me there are some things we ought to be resisting here in America. But the threat to dressing like a *beep* is ephemeral, and the "cause" is borderline frivolous. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| It's to bring awareness to the shame and degradation women still face for expressing their sexuality ... essentially for behaving in a healthy and sexual way. |
Public expressions of sexuality seem like the exact opposite of healthy behavior to me. I don't see how either people as individuals or society collectively benefits by making sexuality something we display to the entire world instead of something we reserve for expression with our partners.
Crusades against sexual violence (or any kind of violence for that matter) are great. They don't need to include this kind of dysfunction, and in fact, including this kind of dysfunction will probably prevent any positive results from emerging. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Didn't Chris Rock say something about this along the lines of (sanitized for TOS) "Dressing that way doesn't make you a prostitute, but you are wearing a prostitute's uniform."
At some point people have to be real with what they are wearing and what it causes with their image. Not excusing violence, but I think its appropriate more in terms of clothing trends as a whole.
If you are going to dress like gang-bangers or rednecks or slovenly hippies or military gear or so on, don't be shocked that you get lumped into that group. Especially because, let's face it, the reason you are dressing that way is precisely to lump yourself in with that group. |
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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Is the title ironic?
It seems to me there are some things we ought to be resisting here in America. But the threat to dressing like a *beep* is ephemeral, and the "cause" is borderline frivolous. |
The title was meant in jest. It isn't anything to take seriously much like the actions of the protesting feminist sluts.
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| I take it you haven't spent a spring or summer in large cities in either country, have you? |
Oh, I have. You'll notice from the pictures of these protests that the one common denominator of the women protesting is that they aren't very attractive. Really, you'd be hard pressed to find one attractive woman in any of these crowds. Generally speaking, I find women from Seoul and Tokyo (or even women from Moscow and Kiev for that matter) take more pride in being women than in being loud obnoxious feminist sluts. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Didn't Chris Rock say something about this along the lines of (sanitized for TOS) "Dressing that way doesn't make you a prostitute, but you are wearing a prostitute's uniform." |
If only the officer had said that instead! |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:46 am Post subject: |
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The general public surely don't subscribe to the despicable view that women are "asking" to be forced to have sex if they dress provocatively? So, some police officer seems to think so; well, he's hardly the first cop to have an IQ of 75.
Left your bag in the car? Well, you were just asking to be robbed. Spilled someone's pint? Well, you were just asking for a fight. Walked down the wrong street in an unfamiliar city? Well, you were just asking to be mugged.
And so on.
Normal people don't think that "asking for it" (so called) absolves criminals of their guilt one iota. I'm quite sure that these women doing these slutwalks realized this if they thought about it for a moment. But of course, that's not the purpose; they're just engaging in crass, attention-seeking behavior.
Taking to the streets at the slightest provocation, mindlessly burning books - never miss an opportunity to cause a public nuisance. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| The general public surely don't subscribe to the despicable view that women are "asking" to be forced to have sex if they dress provocatively? So, some police officer seems to think so; well, he's hardly the first cop to have an IQ of 75. |
That's not at all what he said: "women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized." That's a crudely delivered safety tip, nothing more. |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Women dressing in revealing clothing does not make them sluts.
Calling women "sluts" for wearing a certain style of clothing is not crude. It is false, and it is sexist. Ergo the march. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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An insensitive remark does not rise to an injustice.
We're a generation of self-absorbed ninnies. |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
An insensitive remark does not rise to an injustice.
We're a generation of self-absorbed ninnies. |
It was NOT insensitive, it was a completely false and and completely sexist statement that reveals a mindset hostile to preventing and analyzing the roots and public perception of sexual violence.
"Injustice" is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for public protest. Law enforcement officers being misogynistic and just flat out stupid is.
It was not a slip of the tongue or an offhand remark, it reveals a conscious decision on the officers part to equate clothing with sexual promiscuity. People are entitled to their own opinions, but not being able to express them without repercussion, especially public servants charged with "serving and protecting". |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Menino80 wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
An insensitive remark does not rise to an injustice.
We're a generation of self-absorbed ninnies. |
It was NOT insensitive, it was a completely false and and completely sexist statement that reveals a mindset hostile to preventing and analyzing the roots and public perception of sexual violence.
"Injustice" is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for public protest. Law enforcement officers being misogynistic and just flat out stupid is.
It was not a slip of the tongue or an offhand remark, it reveals a conscious decision on the officers part to equate clothing with sexual promiscuity. People are entitled to their own opinions, but not being able to express them without repercussion, especially public servants charged with "serving and protecting". |
You're right, but injustice is a necessary condition for me to take a public protest seriously. Jim Crow was a systemic and pervasive injustice that needed to be remedied. Hence the many marches.
Sitting here and reading you parse the intentions behind the officer's remark doesn't impress me. There's no systemic injustice here. A single officer made a crude remark. He apologized. And now we get protests beyond Toronto for it?
C'mon. |
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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| Why bring sexism into this thread? The cop apologized. It was good advice with a poor delivery and the cop has admitted as much. Women can do whatever they damn well please. However, at some point, common sense has to prevail. Women should not go out alone dressed in revealing clothing, especially at night, for the same reason white people should not be walking through the Austin neighborhood, Watts or East St. Louis at two o'clock in the morning. The consequences can be deadly. |
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Menino80
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Location: Hodor?
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| Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Equating women's clothing style with sexual promiscuity is sexist, it was an intrinsic part of the thread even if you did not intend it to be. |
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