Korean Job Discussion Forums

[Julius]

In both vids the KT's obviously are not allowed to leave class to get help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQWPIyl0uOg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmPohMcap5E&feature=grec_index

[iggyb]

I taught about 150 Korean teachers for a year and a half.

One common topic of conversation was how teachers have no support from the administration.

In the US, you have the vice principles and a system of punishment - 30 minutes after or before school, in-school suspension, lunch detention, our out of school suspension. The department heads and vice principles will also usually handle flack from parents. And calling parents to complain about the kids often works.

In Korea, the teachers told me they have none of that.

I've seen it some with the elementary school kids.

I don't know how much elementary school in the US has changed, but in my experience, if kids started telling teachers, "No!" and refusing to do things when told, there were consequences that scared or pained kids enough that they were reluctant to do it again. Of course, you had some stubborn bad kids, but the other kids were not encouraged by them to act up.

[lifeinkorea]

2 years army training

Payback ain't fun. Watch them try to get out of that.

[NYC_Gal 2.0]

[young_clinton]

[cert43]

What revenge? ohh they always get outta it.

[Stout]

Yeah but the girls get off scot free

[NYC_Gal 2.0]

[Stout]

Wow, hittin'em where it hurts. You must've been one of those tough tomboys in grade school who put Tommy and Mikey in their place when they picked on some girls.

[jonpurdy]

Obvious examples of already having let the students get gradually more out of control as the semester goes on.

Strict discipline and control right from the start would have prevented these situations.

[yoja]

Agreed ^

All that passive female body language doesn't help either.

You can be four-foot-ten and still have a commanding presence if you carry yourself right.

A loud voice, a forceful (non-whiny) intonation, and an assertive stance go a long way in establishing authority in the classroom.

If there is no presence or establishment of authority, the kids are gonna walk all over you on a good day and eat you alive on a bad one.

Training kids is really not that different from training dogs. Maybe it sounds bad, but it's true. And those teachers deserve what they get if they're too timid to take control of their own classrooms. Where is the adult in these videos? I don't see one, and neither do the students.

My teachers (and parents) NEVER would have allowed me or any other child to treat them so disrespectfully.

[some waygug-in]

Classroom management is not such an easy thing to learn, and it's one of the most necessary things that a new teacher must learn.


It really depends on the situation. One can spout off rules about being tough or whatever on here, but there are exceptions.


I remember my first time teaching kids in a hagwon, I wanted to start out being the tough, strict disciplinarian from the get go.

Only trouble was, the kids and the management of the school had a completely different view of things.

The stricter I tried to be, the worse the classes got.

Until finally I reached the point where I couldn't do anything with them.

I eventually came to the conclusion that I should focus on trying to get them interesting activities to work on and leave the discipline to the Korean staff.

Anyhoo, just sayin'

[yoja]

^ Yeah, good point(s).

Hakwons are a whole different can of worms than the public school can of worms.

And Korean kiddos respond differently in many situations than their western counterparts.

[Malislamusrex]

A technique an old Korean lady at our school uses is as follows

1. Rule the class with an iron fist... as much as talking when you are talking gets the whole class in trouble.

2. punishments should include first 1 minute of staying behind class to a maximum of 10.

3. Then make the student and random student keep a dice between his head and the wall.

4. Any student who won't stop being silly... ridicule usually works,

5. In one class where all else had failed.. told the class "I'm sorry to say this but you are the worst class ever, I am beginning to wonder if there is any point for you to study" they responded.

[SeoulNate]

Is the link in the second video correct? I just saw a video of some kid talking to a teacher for a while lol. Too much ambient noise to hear what they were talking about as well. First video, the kids are out of control though.