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Grammar Question: pluralization, and

 
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Artris



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:23 pm    Post subject: Grammar Question: pluralization, and Reply with quote

My text book has the following sentence:

What are the boy's problem and the woman's advice in each dialog?

To me this should be:
What is the boy's problem and the woman's advice in each dialog?

My co-teacher says that the original sentence is fine. Basically her analysis is that we use ARE because we are addressing two items (problem, advice) in the conjunctive phrase.

My analysis is that the conjunction joins two singular items, these items share the rest of the sentence separately as far as grammar goes. IE:
What is the boy's problem in each dialog?
What is the woman's advice in each dialog?
What is the boy's problem AND the woman's advice in each dialog?

I couldn't find a good example in my Oxford Practical English Usage text. Thoughts?
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right
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koreatimes



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both are fine. The two actions could be seen collectively or separately. If "these items share the rest of the sentence separately" I would think "are" should be used instead of "is".
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

koreatimes wrote:
Both are fine. The two actions could be seen collectively or separately. If "these items share the rest of the sentence separately" I would think "are" should be used instead of "is".


why "are"?

What is the problem and the advice in each dialogue?

separate intangible (conceptual) items would take the singular form given this context.
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schwa



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would definitely favor "are" here.

In the context of "in each dialog," the question clearly asks the reader to consider both the problem & the advice in multiple situations. Plural problems & advice. Thats two good arguments for a plural verb.

"What is the boy's problem and the woman's advice in this dialog?" -- then I'm fine with "is" (but I wouldnt squawk at "are" there either).
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koreatimes



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Cosmic Hum wrote:
koreatimes wrote:
Both are fine. The two actions could be seen collectively or separately. If "these items share the rest of the sentence separately" I would think "are" should be used instead of "is".


why "are"?

What is the problem and the advice in each dialogue?

separate intangible (conceptual) items would take the singular form given this context.


I am not saying "is" is wrong. I was looking at "are" in the following manner, "What I like about this restaurant ARE the tasty fries and the juicy hamburgers."
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
I would definitely favor "are" here.

In the context of "in each dialog," the question clearly asks the reader to consider both the problem & the advice in multiple situations. Plural problems & advice. Thats two good arguments for a plural verb.

"What is the boy's problem and the woman's advice in this dialog?" -- then I'm fine with "is" (but I wouldnt squawk at "are" there either).


This is a good point, but if we are to consider plural problems & advice, then the context should have stated - "What are the boy's problems..."

"in each dialogue" - does state more than one dialogue, but not more than one for each of them - maybe one each, maybe more - this information is vague.

However, "in each dialogue" - "each" is a singular modifier.

(What is each of them doing? vs. What are each of them doing?)

Depending how you feel about this, may influence how you feel about this topic in general - perhaps a bit of a prescriptivist grammar tangent...just adding it to clarify why some would view the singular as more appropriate. Again, given the context - or rather the lack of.

koreatimes - I hear what you are saying about the plural objects, which is why I put in the point about the intangible concepts - with tangible objects - 'are' seems more than appropriate.

Either way, always nice to get alternative views...keeps the grammaring wheels turning.
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